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Old 15 March 2012, 02:52 PM
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Then Ramananda says ‘Jnyan sunya bhakti’. Here for the first time Mahaprabhu says ‘ eho haya’ i.e. accepts.Jnyan sunya bhakti means pure bhakti. If you don’t mind, I am not using devotional service in place of bhakti because being vaishnab we all familiar with the word bhakti. We all know that prema is developed out of suddha bhakti ( pure bhakti ) only.
Dear utttamji,
Maybe is not so important, but suddha bhakti comes out of prema and prema comes out of sadhana bhakti
which is not truly suddha bhakti (although included under the generic term of suddha bhakti, sadhana bhakti is not suddha bhakti).
The matter of fact, only after one attains prema, one is able to dive in suddha bhakti - pure service, or serving out of love.

You may remember the definition of sadhana bhakti given by Rupa Gosvami, where he states,
tatra sadhana-bhaktih –
krti sadhya bhavet sadhya bhava sa sadhanabhidha |
nitya siddhasya bhavasya prakatyam hrdi sadhyata ||2.2||

The activities of the senses have a goal - krti sadhya bhavet
(When) this goal is bhava (the sprout of prema) - sadhya bhava
(Then) they (these activities) are called sadhana (bhakti) (practice to attain bhakti) - sa sadhanabhidha
(and this) eternal perfection of bhava - nitya siddhasya bhavasya
Is manifested in the heart as the goal - prakatyam hrdi sadhyata

You may also remember the famous verse from Śrīmad Bhāgavatam

satāḿ prasańgān mama vīrya-saḿvido
bhavanti hṛt-karṇa-rasāyanāḥ kathāḥ
taj-joṣaṇād āśv apavarga-vartmani
śraddhā ratir bhaktir anukramiṣyati 3.25.25

In the association of the realized persons there are discussions about My enchanting deeds.
Stories which are pleasing to the ear and the heart.
By this activity (hearing or discussing stories about the Lord) one attains quickly one after another - anukramiṣyati
Liberation, faith, love and (at the end) bhakti - apavarga-vartmani śraddhā ratir bhaktir

So the order of perfectional stages are - Liberation, faith, love and (at the end) bhakti
In this connection one may understand also that only a liberated person has truly faith (in the existence of the Absolute).
And only when one attains the stage of (pure) love one may trully perform bhakti, which technically is called the stage of Uttama Bhakti or pure bhakti - bhakti out of love.

The first accepted activity by Sri Caitanya was this hearing or discussing stories about the Lord.

Maybe you knew all these, but I think many out there do not know them.

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Dear anadiji,
Thank you for replying
You say ,
" in my opinion

"Şri Caitanya says that this kind of dharmas are external, because they have nothing to do with the cultivation of prema - divine love
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Are this external dharmas are vaidhi dharma ?
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Dear anadiji,
Thank you for replying
You say ,
" in my opinion
"Şri Caitanya says that this kind of dharmas are external, because they have nothing to do with the cultivation of prema - divine love ."

Are this external dharmas are vaidhi dharma ?
Whatever is outside of Raganunga Bhakti (Bhakti which follows the mood the residents of Vraja) is Vaidhi.

One cannot clearly draw a line between the two sections.
The orange portion between the two sections, can be both vaidhi or raganuga,
according to the one's own mood choosed to attain).

1. Karma - Occasional dharma The execution of ones own occupational duties
according the division of the social and sacral system
2. Karma yoga - Offering the results of (ones own) Occasional dharma to the Lord
3. Tyaga (and saranagati) - Renouncing occasional dharma (and surrendering to the Lord)
4. jnana-misra bhakti - Practicing bhakti sadhana as a means for liberation

1. jnana-sunya bhakti - Hearing and discussion topics related to the Lord pastimes (forms, qualities) with no interest in philosophical discussion outside of bhakti
2. prema-bhakti - Practicing bhakti sadhana to attain love for the Lord
3. dasya-prema attainment of Love in servitude to the Lord
4. sakhya-prema - attainment of Love in friendship to the Lord

1. vatsalya-prema - attainment of parental Love for Krishna
2. prema kanta - attainment of amorous Love for Krishna
3. rādhāra prema vilāsa - attainment of Radhas Love and amorous play with Krishna
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Madhya 8.251

'śreyo-madhye kona śreyaḥ jīvera haya sāra?'
'kṛṣṇa-bhakta-sańga vinā śreyaḥ nāhi āra'


Of all that is auspicious, what is the essence of auspiciousness for the living beings - madhye śreyaḥ kona haya sāra śreyaḥ jīvera

Apart from the association with the devotees of Krishna there is no other auspiciousness - vinā sańga bhakta kṛṣṇa nāhi āra śreyaḥ

Tika:
King Nimi addressing the nine Yoghendras, said (as related in Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam (11.2.30)):

ata ātyantikaḿ kṣemaḿ pṛcchāmo bhavato 'naghāḥ
saḿsāre 'smin kṣaṇārdho 'pi sat-sańgaḥ śevadhir nṛṇām


Therefore oh you sinless ones, I ask you about the supreme good - ata anaghāḥ bhavataḥ pṛcchāmaḥ ātyantikaḿ kṣemaḿ
In the cycle of birth and death, in this (world) even half a second association with those realized man is the treasure of human kind- saḿsāre asmin api sańgaḥ ardhaḥ kṣaṇa sat śevadhir nṛṇām.

252

'kāńhāra smaraṇa jīva karibe anukṣaṇa?'
'kṛṣṇa'-nāma-guṇa-līlā pradhāna smaraṇa'


About whom should the living being constantly meditate - kāńhāra karibe smaraṇa jīva anukṣaṇa

The fundament of the meditation (entails) the name, the qualities and the pastimes of Krishna - pradhāna smaraṇa nāma guṇa līlā kṛṣṇa

Tika:

As related in Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam (2.2.36) Śukadeva Gosvāmī said to king Parikșit:

tasmāt sarvātmanā rājan hariḥ sarvatra sarvadā
śrotavyaḥ kīrtitavyaś ca smartavyo bhagavān nṛṇām


Therefore oh king all the souls, all the time and everywhere - tasmāt rājan sarvātmanā sarvadā sarvatra
Should hear, glorify and meditate on the Supreme Lord - śrotavyaḥ kīrtitavyaś ca smartavyo bhagavān
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Madhya 8.253

'dhyeya madhye jīvera kartavya kon dhyāna'
'rādhā kṛṣṇa padāmbuja dhyāna pradhāna'

From all kinds of meditation, which meditation (represents) the duty of the human being -madhye dhyeya kon dhyāna kartavya jīvera
Essential is the meditation on the lotus feet of Radha and Krishna - pradhāna dhyāna pada ambuja rādhā kṛṣṇa

Tika:
Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam (1.2.14) states:

tasmād ekena manasā bhagavān sātvatāḿ patiḥ
śrotavyaḥ kīrtitavyaś ca dhyeyaḥ pūjyaś ca nityadā

Sūta Gosvāmī addressed the saints led by Śaunaka:
"Therefore everyone should concentrate his mind - tasmād ekena manasā
On the Supreme Lord, the protector of transcendentalists - bhagavān patiḥ sātvatāḿ
And listen (about Him), glorify Him, meditate on Him and worship Him all the time - ca śrotavyaḥ kīrtitavyaś dhyeyaḥ ca pūjyaś nityadā.

Some Gaudiya Vaishnavas pretend meditation would be not at all important, but only chanting Hare Krishna mantra and doing preaching service, or at least assisting the preachers
or the basic service of selling books, food, incense... to open new temples or maintain the old ones.
Manasi seva to (Radha) Krishna in Vrindavan is generally unknown.

8.254
'sarva tyaji' jīvera kartavya kāhāń vāsa'
'vraja-bhūmi vṛndāvana yāhāń līlā-rāsa'

Renouncing everything, where should reside the human being - tyaji sarvakāhāń kartavya vāsa jīvera
On the land of Vraja, in Vrinda’s forest, where the pastimes of the tastes of Love took place - bhūmi vraja vana vṛndā līlā rāsa yāhāń.

Tika
As related in Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam (10.47.61) Uddhava states why whould he reside in Vrandavan:

āsām aho caraṇa reṇu juṣām ahaḿ syāḿ
vṛndāvane kim api gulma-latauṣadhīnām
yā dustyajaḿ sva-janam ārya pathaḿ ca hitvā
bhejur mukunda padavīḿ śrutibhir vimṛgyām

May I become any shrub, plant or blade of grass in Vrinda’s forest - aho ahaḿ syāḿ kim api gulma lata oṣadhīnām vṛndāvane
Which taste the dust of their (gopis) feet - juṣām reṇu caraṇa āsām
Who renounced their own family and the way of good conduct (the chastity), which is hard to renounce - yā hitvā sva-janam pathaḿ ārya dustyajaḿ
(only) to worship the feet of the One who gives Liberation (from the cycle of birth and death) – bhejur padavīḿ mukunda
In whose search are the revealed scriptures - vimṛgyām śrutibhir
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Madhya 8.255

śravaṇa madhye jīvera kon śreṣṭha śravaṇa
rādhā kṛṣṇa prema keli karṇa rasāyana


Among (all that) one should hear, what is the most important for the being to be heard? - madhye śravaṇa kon śreṣṭha jīvera śravaṇa
The pastimes between Radha and Krishna give pleasure to the ear - keli prema rādhā kṛṣṇa ayana rasa karṇa

In this connection Șukadev Gosvami says in (Bhagavatam 10.33.39)

vikrīḍitaḿ vraja-vadhūbhir idaḿ ca viṣṇoḥ
śraddhānvito 'nuśṛṇuyād atha varṇayed yaḥ
bhaktiḿ parāḿ bhagavati pratilabhya kāmaḿ
hṛd-rogam āśv apahinoty acireṇa dhīraḥ


Whoever has faith- yah anvitaḥ śraddhā
And hears repeatedly or describes - śṛṇuyāt anu atha varṇayet
These pastimes of the married women of Vrindavan with Vișnu - idam vikrīḍitam vadhūbhiḥ vraja viṣṇoḥ
Gets the greatest bhakti for the Supreme Lord- pratilabhya parām bhaktim bhagavati
Gets rid of the sickness of material desires from the heart - apahinoti rogam kāmam hṛt
(and) soon (will become) a person who controls his senses - acireṇa dhīrāḥ.

256
'upāsyera madhye kon upāsya pradhāna'
'śreṣṭha upāsya yugala rādhā kṛṣṇa nāma


Of all that should be worshiped, what is the most important to be worshiped? - madhye upāsyera kon pradhāna upāsya
The most important to be worshiped is the name of the (divine) couple Radha-Krishna - śreṣṭha upāsya nāma yugala rādhā-kṛṣṇa

Tika:
Generally Iskcon (and Gaudiya math) are against any other mantras, except Hare Krishna mantra, (besides the mantras chanted on the 3 Sandyas of the day) considering other mantras like Radhe Shyam mantra as not authorized.
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Madhya 8.257

'mukti, bhukti vāche yei, kāhāń duńhāra gati'
'sthāvara-deha, deva-deha yaiche avasthiti'

(question) Among the two, where goes the one who wishes liberation and (the one) who wishes (material) pleasure - duńhāra kāhāń gati yei vāche mukti bhukti
(answer) They will be situated accordingly into an immobile respectively a demigod body - avasthiti yaiche sthāvara-deha deva-deha

Tika:
The liberated becomes immobile, like a particle of divine light in Brahma-gioti the effulgence full of love which emanate from the body of the Supreme Lord.
The fact that that light emanate from the body of the Supreme Lord can be seen in Mantra 16 from Isa Upanişad:

pūṣann ekarṣe yama sūrya prājāpatya
vyūha raśmīn samūha
tejo yat te rūpaḿ kalyāṇa-tamaḿ
tat te paśyāmi yo 'sāv asau puruṣaḥ so 'ham asmi

Oh, the One that maintains (the worlds), the only wise, the Controller who disciplines - pūṣan eka-ṛṣe yama
The Giver of light, the progenitor (of beings) - sūrya prājāpatya
Give away the rays multitude of Your effulgence - vyūha samūha raśmīn te tejaḥ
So that I may see that form of Yours - yat paśyāmi tat rūpam te
Exceedingly auspicious - kalyāṇa-tamam
So that I see - tat yaḥ asau
That Enjoyer- asau puruṣaḥ
Whom I resemble (myself) - saḥ asmi aham

As for those who run after material pleasure Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam states (11.10.23):

iṣṭveha devatā yajaiḥ svar lokaḿ yāti yājikaḥ
bhujīta deva-vat tatra bhogān divyān nijārjitān

Worshiping the demigods by executing sacrificial rituals - iṣṭveha devatā yajaiḥ
The one who executed the sacrifice goes on the heavenly plantes - yājikaḥ yāti lokaḿ svar
(and) enjoys there heavenly pleasures - bhujīta tatra bhogān divyān
Reaching himself the status of a demigod- arjitān nija vat deva
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Madhya 8.258-261

arasa-jna kaka cushe jnana-nimba-phale
rasa-jna kokila khaya premamra-mukule


(The ones who) have no knowledge about the tastes of love are crows - jna arasa kaka
which know (only) sucking the bitter fruit nimba - cushe jnana nimba-phale
(The ones who) have knowledge about the tastes of love are Kokila birds - jna rasa kokila
who eat the sweet buds of divine love - khaya prema-amra-mukule

abhagiya jnani asvadaye sushka jnana
krishna-premamrita pana kare bhagyavan


The unfortunate who are busy with Knowledge about the Absolute - abhagiya jnani
taste the (dry) knowledge - asvadaye jnana sushka
The lucky ones drink the nectar like love for Krishna - bhagyavan kare pana prema amrita krishna

ei-mata dui jana krishna-katha-rase
nritya-gita-rodane haila ratri-seshe


In this way the two discussed about the tastes of love for Krishna - ei mata dui jana katha-rase krishna
Dancing, singing, and weeping till the night closed to an end - nritya-gita rodane haila ratri-seshe

donhe nija-nija-karye calila vihane
sandhya-kale raya asi' milila ara dine


The next day in the morning both went to do (thier own duties) - dine ara vihane donhe calila karye nija-nija
In the evening Ramananda Raya came again to meet (Sri Caitanya); sandhya-kale raya asi milila
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Madhya 8.262-264

iṣṭa goṣṭhī kṛṣṇa kathā kahi' kata-kṣaṇa
prabhu pada dhari' rāya kare nivedana

In the desired association they talked a while topics about Krishna- goṣṭhī iṣṭa kahi kata-kṣaṇa kathā kṛṣṇa
Catching the feet of the Lord, Rāmānanda Rāya made a request - dhari pada prabhu rāya kare nivedana

kṛṣṇa tattva rādhā tattva prema tattva sāra
rasa tattva līlā-tattva vividha prakāra

There are different categories (of truth): the truth about Krișna, the truth about Radha, the essence of Truth about divine love - vividha prakāra kṛṣṇa tattva rādhā tattva prema-tattva-sāra
the truth about the tastes of divine love, the truth about the divine pastimes - rasa-tattva līlā-tattva

eta tattva mora citte kaile prakāśana
brahmāke veda yena paḍāila nārāyaṇa

These Truths has you manifestad in my heart - eta tattva kaile prakāśana citte mora
as Narayan taught Brahma the Vedic knowledge - yena nārāyaṇa paḍāila brahmāke veda

Tika:
Sri Narayan addressed Brahma, the first being in this Univers, as recounted in Śrīmad Bhāgavatam 2.9.32:

yāvān ahaḿ yathā-bhāvo
yad-rūpa-guṇa-karmakaḥ
tathaiva tattva-vijānam
astu te mad-anugrahāt

Through my mercy may you surely- anugrahāt mat astu te eva
Realize the truth about Me- vijānam tattva yāvān aham
As concerning (My) nature, those forms (of Mine) - yathā bhāvaḥ yat rūpa
Qualities, activities and so on - guṇa karmakaḥ tathā

8.265

antaryāmī īśvarera ei rīti haye
bāhire nā kahe, vastu prakāśe hṛdaye

The method of this Supreme internal regulator (Supersoul) - rīti ei antaryāmī īśvarera
Is not to talk external - nā haye kahe bāhire
(but) it manifests the things in the heart - prakāśe vastu hṛdaye

To sustain this assessment he presents the first verse from Bhagavat Puran:

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janmādy asya yato 'nvayād itarataś cārtheṣv abhijaḥ sva-rāṭ
tene brahma hṛdā ya ādi kavaye muhyanti yat sūrayaḥ
tejo vāri mṛdāḿ yathā vinimayo yatra tri sargo 'mṛṣā
dhāmnā svena sadā nirasta kuhakaḿ satyaḿ paraḿ dhīmahi

Let us always meditate on the Absolute Truth - dhīmahi sadā param satyam
And on His personal abode, which is not illusory - dhāmnā svena nirasta kuhakam
From which started directly (by the Supreme Lord) and indirectly (by His empowered beings) - yataḥ ādi anvayāt itarataḥ
This creation (of the material world) which is almost real - asya janma amṛṣā
Through the interaction of the three modes of the material nature: passion, goodness and misery - yatra vinimayaḥ tri-sargaḥ tejo vāri mṛdāḿ
By which are illusioned even the demigods - yat muhyanti sūrayaḥ
As well as the fact that (the Supreme Lord) (having) perfect knowledge and being absolutely independent - ca artheṣu abhijaḥ sva-rāṭ
had infused the Absolute Truth in the heart of the first being (Lord Brahmaa) - tene brahma hṛdā yaḥ ādi kavaye
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