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Old 22 April 2008, 10:48 AM
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Aryan Invasion Theory

British Racialists invented the Aryan invasion theory of india to justify their colonial rule. I say its a myth and indo-aryan speakers and dravidian speakers are both the same race and not different racial groups. Dravidian people are not a distinct race, indians are genetical uniform i would say 90% of india is genetical the same. Dravidian people are darker caucasoids and indo-aryans are also not blonde and pale but black haired, brown eyed and brown skinned. I heard that lightening and lovely cream is a hit in india and sell mad so some indians may look lighter or they dont go much to sun. The eye shapes, the skull, the bones, the facial structure is same in all indians be they brahmins or shudras or untouchables, be they tamils or indo-aryans. The "white" racists stole the word aryan from indians and the swastika, swastika is a ancient hindu symbol. New genetic studies doubt aryan invasion theory. http://www.hinduismtoday.com/hpi/2006/1/12.shtml#1

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Old 22 June 2009, 03:21 AM
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I had no idea that the British invented this theory. But I did read a few things about it and I don't think that this was merely an invention but was actually based on the findings of few years back.

But anyways what I wanted to say is that according to new evidence that has been found in context to this, it is now thought that ARYANS WERE PEOPL LIVING IN INDIA who left India and than possibly came back. And now this theory is geeting many backers.

So I think it does mean that NORTH INDIANS AND SOUTH INDIANS BOTH ARE ARYANS. People should realise this and stop discrimininating against each other.

Though it is really very sad that Europeans took up the Aryan name and Swastik making them symbols of racism. But there are many people who understand that Aryan and Nazi are two totally different things. So it is not like we need to feel bad about it anymore.

All I would say is that INDIANS (North and South both) SHOULD FEEL PROUD TO BE ARYANS because being concious about our ethinicity is not being discriminant.
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Old 22 June 2009, 07:32 AM
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It isn't necessary to feel as the same race (or language etc.) in order to be non-discriminatory. Why not react joyously to our differences? I love other culture, and we should celebrate all. When theories like this are expounded it tends to negate other cultures. In India it would be the Dravidians and perhaps more. Here in Canada the British 'negated' aboriginal cultures, tossing them aside like garbage, and only later realising some of the wealth of knowledge they tossed (herbology, for example). I think this new take on the Aryan invasion theory is just a new marketing of the same idea, and remains invalid as ever.

Looking deeper, it really relates to ego,and 'Who was first?" or where did civilisation start? The west has always assumed it was somewhere around the middle east. Dumb assumption. I should say egocentric, ethnocentric assumption. Then when they found evidence of clay pots or cities somewhere in South Africa or India, they just trued to cover the whole thing up. Fortunately the common anthropologist of today has an open mind.

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I do agree with you but my point wasn't to highlight Aryans. Europeans are all the same and still the same when it comes to racial discrimination. But due to this theory (which when came did have some backing of evidence), created problems for the Indian society.

The basic fact is that racial discrimination though not much in the central view is not non-existent in India. And we need to curb this. And the present Out Of India theory is essential for this.

I think it is because that you are a Canadian and not that aware of the racial status of India. The present Australian attacks are the proof of this. It takes a racist to catch a racist, as they say.

The Out Of India theory if should help in anything is uniting the Indian people. There are many sub-divisions created in Hinduism just because some people (sorry I cannot seem to recount any names) choosed not to follow the Aryan culture. And some even went far enough to blame the Aryans for the discriminatory caste system theories.

You might be right about ego. Sometimes it gets really frustrating when Indian culture gets no credit for its contributions. Even though you say that today a common anthropologist is open minded, but I don't think it means much till common people themselves realize and respect the truth.

Recently I was at a writing forum where I was the only Indian, and I was shocked at their (most of them were Americans and Europeans; more than half being American) ignorance of India and Indian culture. Even now when we say that the West has started respecting India, it is only a half truth.
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Europeans are all the same? Europeans are not all the same the way Indians are not all the same. In fact there is a lot of similarity between Europe as a whole and india as a whole. Several languages, cultures etc. India, if it were not for the British, would be 10 or 15 or more independent countries today. Same as Europe.

If racial discrimination is non existent in India, why do we need to curb this? I simply do not understand your point.

I also fail to understand what 'Out of India' is supposed to mean. Sorry.

Yes, I'm Canadian. Not sure what that means in terms of this discussion. Are you implying I can never understand India?

Here in my city we have a council of Indian societies which is an umbrella organisation for the language and state associations like the Tamil Society, the Kannada society, the Bengais etc etc. I think there are 14 or 15 groups represented at the Council. It is example of the concept termed Unity in Diversity. Then there are 5 Hindu temples here. That's because there are 5 different groups with different religious needs. As far as I'm concerned, the more the merrier. Trying to get everyone to unify their thoughts in religiouys ways will nevwer happen. Its much more interesting this way.

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Re: Aryan Invasion Theory

Why focus on this, when really we are all reflections of the same?

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Europeans are all the same? Europeans are not all the same the way Indians are not all the same. In fact there is a lot of similarity between Europe as a whole and india as a whole. Several languages, cultures etc. India, if it were not for the British, would be 10 or 15 or more independent countries today. Same as Europe.
Sorry about that. I think I got a little aggressive.

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If racial discrimination is non existent in India, why do we need to curb this? I simply do not understand your point.
Sorry, what I mean is that even though racial discrimination is not addressed in India but it does not mean that it is non-existent.

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I also fail to understand what 'Out of India' is supposed to mean. Sorry.
Aryans were Indians who left India and then possibly came back. This new theory is the Out of India theory if I recall correctly.

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Yes, I'm Canadian. Not sure what that means in terms of this discussion. Are you implying I can never understand India?
I never meant that. I just implied that there are chances that you won't be that much aware about the happenings in India if you live in Canada. Have you read the book the White Tiger by Aravind Adiga? If you have then you will see what I mean. It won the 2008 Booker Prize. It shows the real India which is non-spiritual, vulgar and dirty.

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As far as I'm concerned, the more the merrier. Trying to get everyone to unify their thoughts in religious ways will never happen. Its much more interesting this way.
Maybe, it is not that I disagree with you. Trying to unify everyone's thought is impossible and undemocratic. And this was not what I meant. I just want the people to stop discrimination amongst each other.

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Why focus on this, when really we are all reflections of the same?
But there are many people who don't think so. But anyways this is cool to hear. I don't think there is any more point in discussion when we all agree on this.
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Re: Aryan Invasion Theory

The Out of India theory is that the Aryans were the natives of India and then moved north and northwest into Iran and southern Europe later spawning the ancient Persian, Greek, and Roman civilizations.
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Re: Aryan Invasion Theory

Pranam,
" It shows the real India which is non-spiritual, vulgar and dirty."

THE REAL INDIA!!! Maybe a side of India. Or maybe in some areas of India. But the above statement implies that the whole country is
non-spiritual, vulgar and dirty.

I must have been sheltered from that when I went to India. Anyway, just because someone writes a book, get it published and wins awards doesn't mean it is the absolute truth. Birds of a feather flock together and are constantly giving each other awards.

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Pranam,
What proof is there to back this theory? I mean is there settlements that have been dug up? What about burial/grave sites? How about money/ coins with Aryan rulers etc? Who lead the invasion? Do these Aryans have individual names?

Where can I find information on them?

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