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  1. Re: Lord Shiva in Buddhism

    Quote Originally Posted by shian View Post
    @Param, so i said that is political view and i will ignore it because not my bussiness and i am personaly not do that and not interesting with that. Whatever you said about Buddhist, acctually i dont understand that because i am personally not like what you say.

    I still view on : this is fact there is some Shiva devotee who have sincere heart then they get the bliss and happiness. This fact that there is some Buddha devotee who have sincere heart, then they get bliss and happiness. So , see this fact, why i view the philosophy of Mother Bharat from political side ? I am not politican, i only ordinary person who worship Shiva, Ganesh, Devi and Buddha. Thats it. You can talk politic with other person who have interseted in it and have the desire to fight on it.

    Thank you
    I am not talking politics, where you find politics in my post there?

    Later Buddhists themselves played misquotes, maybe this is politics but your comment say all this itself.

    Hindus accepted Buddha as he was a Hindu himself, his forefathers were Hindus themselves.
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    Re: Lord Shiva in Buddhism

    @Param
    Im not mean you post politic,
    I mean i wrote about the example of political view, and that is only take a example and not my argument .

    I personaly dont care about is Buddha an avatar of Vishnu or Vishnu is avatar of Buddha .
    Or Vishnu is personal Godhead and Shiva is demigods .
    This kind of personal believe
    Believe what you want to believe.
    I only know, in my heart they are one and i cant make them separate.
    What my heart says is already not outer things , but originaly nature from my mind.
    Whatever text i read and maybe the text (both Hindu and Buddha ) said this deity is get help from that deity or this deity is number one etc, i not catch it as a reason to see other deity is low or other is high. Absolutely not.
    Because for me, these kind of story is only a tool to guide us in meditation state, know and recognize many aspect of our mind.
    But if some people see thesse story as a reason to hate each other, what i can do ?

    If some people choosee to see theese story as a reason to hate other sect as NON DHARMA , and to say them self as follower of true DHARMA (for both Hindu and Buddhist in any sect), what i can do ?
    If they want to fighting until they destroyed each other as offering to Mother Bharat,
    What i can do ?

    I only doing my part, to tell what i feel toward the teaching of India ancestor and how i use it in my spiritual life
    And i only hope, they are stop to attack each other, this is only my wish,

    OM. VAJRA. VISHNUYA. SVAHA
    OM. VAJRA. GARUDA. CALE CALE. HUM PHAT


    OM. AMOGHA VAIROCANA. MAHA-MUDRA. MANI PADMA JVALA PRAVARTTAYA. HUM

    Om Saha Nau-Avatu |
    Saha Nau Bhunaktu |
    Saha Viiryam Karava-Avahai |
    Tejasvi Nau-Adhii-Tam-Astu Maa Vidviss-Aavahai |
    Om Shaantih Shaantih Shaantih ||


  3. #13

    Re: Lord Shiva in Buddhism

    About is Siddharta Gautama is Hindu
    i must explain my own opinion here
    i have initiated on Buddhist lineage
    but i have no problem to say Siddharta Gautama is Hindu
    very easy
    Buddhist has chant OM kara
    they also chant many sacred syllable from Veda
    these stuff is from Veda we are know it.

    My own lineage Guru, absolutely no problem if we pay homage on Hindu temple
    or if we read Hindu sacred text
    He also have ever go to Hindu temple and He also respect and Homage

    He worship Lord Shiva, Sarasvati Maa etc as He worship Buddha (see them as Highest)
    in His explanation and teachings about these Deity , He also explain these Deity is from Hindu
    so for my personal , i am is Buddhist, but i am dont have any problem with Hindu, i also no problem to say i am proud to be Hindu, or to be Buddhist
    This kind , all is outer aspect
    The most important, no matter what sampradaya we are, is how we can put and realize the blessing of Bhagavan on our daily life and share it to another sentient beings , let them also receive the blessing.

    Is true that every sect have their own view
    even in every sect, every student have their own personal view
    but this step of inner spiritual is not a reason to fight each other
    The text about the lilas of Bhagavan is beyond our ordinary imagination, and that is not for fight, if you see that as a tool to fight each other
    no matter we is Hindu or Buddha, we will destroy each other , not only towards other religion (Hindu vs Buddhist), but also towards other sect in same religion ( some sect of Hindu vs other sect of Hindu, or some sect of Buddhist vs other sect of Buddhist )

    When one family want to promote their family life philosophy, what can they say if their own family is fight each other ???

    i said this because i still care . . .
    because my past life is India,
    if i dont care, i will choose to ignore it and forget it all

    OM. VAJRA. VISHNUYA. SVAHA
    OM. VAJRA. GARUDA. CALE CALE. HUM PHAT


    OM. AMOGHA VAIROCANA. MAHA-MUDRA. MANI PADMA JVALA PRAVARTTAYA. HUM

    Om Saha Nau-Avatu |
    Saha Nau Bhunaktu |
    Saha Viiryam Karava-Avahai |
    Tejasvi Nau-Adhii-Tam-Astu Maa Vidviss-Aavahai |
    Om Shaantih Shaantih Shaantih ||


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    Re: Lord Shiva in Buddhism

    Anyway,

    In Buddhism, all of outer worship is called heretical path (include outer worship of Buddha)
    all of method (include method of Buddhism) is called heretical view
    include method of Buddhism is not all will suitable for all beings
    include method of Buddhism , a practicioner or sadhaka cant attached on method

    In Mahayan Tripitaka, there is a Sutra on 4 chapter who is spoken by Vajrasattva, the Sutra is all about the worship of Ganesh !
    Many tantric ways, like for different purpose we must made the sclupture of Ganesh with deifferent materials, and offer puja in deifferent ways, and give abhisekam with different liquid , and another difficult puja.

    There is also a sutra about Art Goddess who born from Usnisa hair of Shiva, when He dance with all Goddess.
    Then this hair manifestation Goddess have a mantra , if we chant it etc, we can get salvation and highest wisdom,
    Think it ! She only a manifestation of Hair of Lord Shiva ! but can give us salvation.

    So, i think, we cant understand a teaching only from a piece of text
    we must looking by the whole teachings
    because there is many method for different person

    i affraid if missunderstanding will make a chaos between all school of India religion !

    OM. VAJRA. VISHNUYA. SVAHA
    OM. VAJRA. GARUDA. CALE CALE. HUM PHAT


    OM. AMOGHA VAIROCANA. MAHA-MUDRA. MANI PADMA JVALA PRAVARTTAYA. HUM

    Om Saha Nau-Avatu |
    Saha Nau Bhunaktu |
    Saha Viiryam Karava-Avahai |
    Tejasvi Nau-Adhii-Tam-Astu Maa Vidviss-Aavahai |
    Om Shaantih Shaantih Shaantih ||


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    Re: Lord Shiva in Buddhism

    Learn from history,

    what is the easiest way to defeat some country ?
    is make them fight each other with their own brothers.

    Why peoples from other country have same feeling and love our land ?
    is spread ancestor philosophy to other country.

    why i am , who born in Indonesia, not have India ancestor (maybe have),
    but i can feel love toward India ? why ?

    OM. VAJRA. VISHNUYA. SVAHA
    OM. VAJRA. GARUDA. CALE CALE. HUM PHAT


    OM. AMOGHA VAIROCANA. MAHA-MUDRA. MANI PADMA JVALA PRAVARTTAYA. HUM

    Om Saha Nau-Avatu |
    Saha Nau Bhunaktu |
    Saha Viiryam Karava-Avahai |
    Tejasvi Nau-Adhii-Tam-Astu Maa Vidviss-Aavahai |
    Om Shaantih Shaantih Shaantih ||


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    Re: Lord Shiva in Buddhism

    Shiva is revered as Mahakala in Vajrayana (Tantric) Buddhism, and as a god of wealth in Japan.
    Mahakala in Tantric Buddhism is a powerful figure. He is depicted as a wrathful deity, an emanation of Avalokiteshvara, the Lord of Compassion.



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    Re: Lord Shiva in Buddhism

    Quote Originally Posted by Crane-Foot King View Post
    Shiva is revered as Mahakala in Vajrayana (Tantric) Buddhism, and as a god of wealth in Japan.
    Mahakala in Tantric Buddhism is a powerful figure. He is depicted as a wrathful deity, an emanation of Avalokiteshvara, the Lord of Compassion.


    Namaste.

    You have just reached the very heart of my core beliefs right there and the exact reason as to why I worship Lord Siva in the form of Maha Kala Bhairava/Avilokiteshvara. Nail has been hit firmly and squarely on the head.

    Shaivism and Tantric Buddhism are almost inseperable at the core.

    Reputation points coming your way.

    Aum Batuk Bhairavaye Namah
    Aum Namah Shivaya

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    Re: Lord Shiva in Buddhism

    Quote Originally Posted by Necromancer View Post
    Namaste.

    You have just reached the very heart of my core beliefs right there and the exact reason as to why I worship Lord Siva in the form of Maha Kala Bhairava/Avilokiteshvara. Nail has been hit firmly and squarely on the head.

    Shaivism and Tantric Buddhism are almost inseperable at the core.

    Reputation points coming your way.

    Aum Batuk Bhairavaye Namah
    Aum Namah Shivaya
    Thank you. I have a great deal of respect for Lord Shiva. It is without a doubt that he is an enlightened being.

  9. #19

    Re: Lord Shiva in Buddhism

    But not all Buddhist agree that Shiva is perfect being.

    This is same with internal of Hindu, not all Hindu sect agree that Shiva is perfect being.

    But that is just their , you, or me, or our opinion

    Shiva is Shiva

    OM. VAJRA. VISHNUYA. SVAHA
    OM. VAJRA. GARUDA. CALE CALE. HUM PHAT


    OM. AMOGHA VAIROCANA. MAHA-MUDRA. MANI PADMA JVALA PRAVARTTAYA. HUM

    Om Saha Nau-Avatu |
    Saha Nau Bhunaktu |
    Saha Viiryam Karava-Avahai |
    Tejasvi Nau-Adhii-Tam-Astu Maa Vidviss-Aavahai |
    Om Shaantih Shaantih Shaantih ||


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    Re: Lord Shiva in Buddhism

    Quote Originally Posted by shian View Post
    But not all Buddhist agree that Shiva is perfect being.

    This is same with internal of Hindu, not all Hindu sect agree that Shiva is perfect being.

    But that is just their , you, or me, or our opinion

    Shiva is Shiva
    No, not all. In some myths, Vajrapani kills Maheshvara who is reborn and becomes the Soundless Lord of Ahes Buddha, but I tend to view that as a sectarian myth.

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