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    Re: how many children did shiva have?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ram116040 View Post
    Thanks for the reply.
    I read that Rudra and Agni are related and often Agni is said to be one of the three eyes of Rudra.Could you elaborate on how Ganesha is associated with Agni and Skanda/Kumara with the Ashwini Twins?
    Namaste Ram116040,
    Sorry for late reply, I just didn't notice your post.
    Ganesha is ashta-vinayaka, Agni is ashta-vasu. Both are pujāri-s. Both pervade all the worlds. Both are the knowers of all the seven worlds, and by the virtue of being the "eighth" they contain the sevens within themselves. Each and every word that has been spoken of in their praise points to the same essence of the two.

    Secondly, Rudra represents Shiva is well-known.

    AsviniKumar is called "nAsatya", that is, the god who kills ignorance (asat), i.e., "ku-mAra". He is said to be the only god who is nearest to us, as well moves everywhere else. He is related to sacrifice and immortality. Bhakti and Sacrifice are the dual mode of true worship of Him. In Shiva family, clearly, Murugan represents That divinity.

    So much so, Murugan is the first among all gods. In this way, greater than even Shiva. The preponderance of Murugan worship in the South India points to the origin of Arya Dharma itself. The power of AsviniKumar makes one a "dvija". In the end of our journey we receive Amaratva from His hands only.

    The three eyes of Shiva, the damru, vel of Muruga, trunk of Ganesha -- these are the attributes with which the Vedic deities (if we take them as fundamental, though it's only a relative truth) have decided to appear in the visions of the bhakta-s of this and other Loka-s.

    Veda talks about "33 Devatā-s". It can be said that these Devatā-s appear, as much as possible in their fullness of numbers and glory, in all traditions of Dharma -- be it Shaiva or Vaishnava, Shakta or Tantra, Yoga or Science..


    KT
    Things to remember:

    1. Life = yajña
    2. Depth of Āstika knowledge is directly proportional
    to the richness of Sanskrit it is written in
    3. Āstika = Bhārata ("east") / Ārya ("west")
    4. Varṇa = tripartite division of Vedic polity
    5. r = c. x²
    where,
    r = realisation
    constant c = intelligence
    variable x = bhakti

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    Re: how many children did shiva have?

    Namaste,

    Thank you Ji for explaining about Kumara and Ganesha.
    He dances in the golden hall of Chidambaram, Let us worship His rosy anklet girt Feet.

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    Re: how many children did shiva have?

    Vannakkam:

    Esoterically speaking, Siva has no children. He is far beyond that idea.

    Aum Namasivaya

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eastern Mind View Post
    Vannakkam:

    Esoterically speaking, Siva has no children. He is far beyond that idea.

    Aum Namasivaya
    On the contrary, I find Siva having Ganesha and Murugan as children a supremely esoteric truth that is far beyond any futile intellectualising and philosophising. And yet, something very much within the reach of even simple minded bhakta-s.

    Actually, Murugan is more of a mama's boy, and GaNesha papa's.

    Pranam.

    P.S.: who's to decide what is esoteric and what is just an idea?
    Things to remember:

    1. Life = yajña
    2. Depth of Āstika knowledge is directly proportional
    to the richness of Sanskrit it is written in
    3. Āstika = Bhārata ("east") / Ārya ("west")
    4. Varṇa = tripartite division of Vedic polity
    5. r = c. x²
    where,
    r = realisation
    constant c = intelligence
    variable x = bhakti

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    Re: how many children did shiva have?

    maybe we are all shivas children
    AUM

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    Re: how many children did shiva have?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kalicharan Tuvij View Post
    On the contrary, I find Siva having Ganesha and Murugan as children a supremely esoteric truth that is far beyond any futile intellectualising and philosophising. And yet, something very much within the reach of even simple minded bhakta-s.

    Actually, Murugan is more of a mama's boy, and GaNesha papa's.

    Pranam.

    P.S.: who's to decide what is esoteric and what is just an idea?
    Vannakkam KT: You are welcome to your view. Personally, I take the Puranas as secondary scripture, so I'm not so keen on anthropomorphic ideas. I'd be quite happy to worship the Vel of Murugan as well.

    But our Sanatana Dharma is a vast place, and it should be whatever any devotee feels comfortable with.

    Aum Namasivaya

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    Re: how many children did shiva have?

    shiva had only one son kartikeya
    devi had only one son ganesha
    neither were born of the womb

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    Re: how many children did shiva have?

    Quote Originally Posted by Eastern Mind View Post
    Vannakkam KT: You are welcome to your view. Personally, I take the Puranas as secondary scripture, so I'm not so keen on anthropomorphic ideas. I'd be quite happy to worship the Vel of Murugan as well.

    But our Sanatana Dharma is a vast place, and it should be whatever any devotee feels comfortable with.

    Aum Namasivaya
    Pranam EM,

    I understand.

    Actually, from my anthropo-morphic pov, my main worry is that there hasn't been enough no. of forms ("morphisms") visualised by the bhakta-artists for the depiction of Ganesha; e.g., for Shiva we have Nataraja, apart from the regular calendar-art Shiva.

    Because this is what truly creative artists can do - making "religion" real fun all along - and as we Hindus believe that there are subjective experiences that are common to all humanity : are universals : certainly, it is the rest of humanity again which, like in any other branch of art, appreciate and validate the creative expression.

    For example, there are a few images such as, "Ganesha in peeple leaves", "OM-shaped Ganesha", or others that we regularly see in "card-art", but the depiction still is perforce that of an elephant-headed deity.

    The situation is pretty stagnant. No wonder, Indian art is stuck in one place. In the example of Ganesha, for example, I see Him more as a (human) pujāri - and believe He can be depicted as such.

    Then, there are so many Vinayaka-s, each can invoke some or other inspiration from art point of view.

    Ultimately, there is hardly a thing that is more fundamental than other things: we can always correctly depict one reality in terms of other reality.

    Only, the journey between the two has to necessarily go through the "gods' abode".
    Things to remember:

    1. Life = yajña
    2. Depth of Āstika knowledge is directly proportional
    to the richness of Sanskrit it is written in
    3. Āstika = Bhārata ("east") / Ārya ("west")
    4. Varṇa = tripartite division of Vedic polity
    5. r = c. x²
    where,
    r = realisation
    constant c = intelligence
    variable x = bhakti

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