View Poll Results: Which Theory of Evolution do you believe in?

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  • Subjective Evolution

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  • Fossilisim - Darwins Theory.

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Thread: Fossilisim VS Subjective Evolutionisim

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    Re: Fossilisim VS Subjective Evolutionisim

    Quote Originally Posted by yajvan View Post
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    I offer this just so we are avoiding mixing apples and oranges.

    If we choose to deal with sound then we're talking the 5 tanmātra-s. Yet if we then talk of sky and water ( ākāśa and jala) we have moved over to the mahābhuta-s.
    There is a slight difference, and thought it was worth mentioning.

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    Sorry. Yajvan Ji! I don't understand - what are tanmatras? And what are mahabhutas? What way are they different from each other? Thank you.
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    Re: Fossilisim VS Subjective Evolutionisim

    Namaste,

    Quote Originally Posted by yajvan View Post
    If we choose to deal with sound then we're talking the 5 tanmātra-s. Yet if we then talk of sky and water ( ākāśa and jala) we have moved over to the mahābhuta-s.
    Please define your terms.

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    Re: Fossilisim VS Subjective Evolutionisim

    Quote Originally Posted by Viraja View Post
    Sorry. Yajvan Ji! I don't understand - what are tanmatras? And what are mahabhutas? What way are they different from each other? Thank you.
    Namaste Yajvan ji,

    I referred and found out that Tanmatras and Mahabhutas refer to the following:

    The 5 Tanmatras (Subtle Energies of matter):
    Shabda - Sound
    Sparsha - Touch
    Roopa - Form
    Rasa - Taste
    Gandha - Smell

    The 5 Mahabhutas (Elements):
    Akasha - Space
    Vayu - Air
    Agni - Fire
    Apa - Water
    Prithvi - Earth

    Now, coming to your observation that we are mixing apples and oranges when we say "The sky (akasha) is born out of Sound" -- this is where my confusion arises - Is it wrong to say the same? I just recently heard this in an upanyasa (of how panchabhutas are formed).

    EDIT: By 'Sound', I am referring to the 'OM' - the 'Pranava', to be the source of Akasha. Please correct me if I am wrong.

    Thanks.
    Last edited by Viraja; 25 July 2014 at 01:12 PM. Reason: Added portion under EDIT.
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    Re: Fossilisim VS Subjective Evolutionisim

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    Quote Originally Posted by Viraja View Post
    Sorry. Yajvan Ji! I don't understand - what are tanmatras? And what are mahabhutas? What way are they different from each other? Thank you.
    This would be a very good discussion for another (new) string if you wish to discuss it there.... otherwise we will be creating a detour within this string's overall conversation.

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    Last edited by yajvan; 27 July 2014 at 09:36 AM.
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    Re: Fossilisim VS Subjective Evolutionisim

    Namaste,

    There are two possible scenarios as far as I can see,

    1. Brahman --> Prakrithi and Purusha --> Tanmatras, Panchabhuthas, Jnanendriyas, Karmendriyas, Prana, Manas, Buddhi, ahankar --> illusory world of empirical reality --> Big Bang --> Darwin's evolution.

    2. Big Bang --> Darwin's evolution --> Human Beings --> Brain --> Consciousness.

    I lean towards the first scenario depending on the available evidence from science and religion but irrespective of this evolution by Natural Selection or the Darwin's theory of evolution is a fact.

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    So then, according to science, consciousness is coming from stone...
    Im not satying darwins theory is wrong, he just left out consciousness
    Last edited by Samraat Bhismadeva Maurya; 01 August 2014 at 12:47 AM.
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