Why would the Lord delude?
Pranam all
Originally Posted by
krsna Das
Lord Visnu instructed Lord Siva to preach this philosophy because at that point of time, in India, people used to perform devotional service to Lord Visnu only for material motives and not for attaining Sudha-ekantiaka-prema-mayi-bhakti, devoid of desire for material gains and desire for Moksa (Liberation).
In order to delude such people, and also to protect the swaroop of such Suddha-bhakti (avyabhicarini-bhakti),
Two contradicting statement, one Vishu wants to delude people because he is not happy that they worship him for material gain only, but then he wants to delude and keep the sudh bhakti away from them by deluding them.
Lord Visnu instructed Lord Siva to preach this philosophy because at that point of time, in India, people used to perform devotional service to Lord Visnu only for material motives and not for attaining Sudha-ekantiaka-prema-mayi-bhakti, devoid of desire for material gains and desire for Moksa (Liberation).
At what point of time please quantify.
Why would the Lord punish this class of people whose only crime is that they do not desire pure love for god.?
This is in direct contrast to what Lord Krishna says in bg
The wise should not unsettle the mind of the ignorant who is attached to the fruits of work, but the enlightened one should inspire others by performing all works efficiently without attachment. (3.26)
Those who are deluded by the Gunas of nature get attached to the works of the Gunas. The wise should not disturb the mind of the ignorant whose knowledge is imperfect. (3.29)
nadatte kasyacit papam
na caiva sukrtam vibhuh
ajnanenavrtam jnanam
tena muhyanti cantata
The Lord does not take the (responsibility for) good or evil deeds of anybody. The knowledge is covered by (the veil of) ignorance, thereby people are deluded. (5.15)
And there you are telling us that the lord interferes and actually deludes those who worship him all being for selfish desires!
If they are deluded why delude them even more?
Lord Visnu ordered Lord Siva to spread this philosophy, because it is possible only for the pure-unalloyed devotees of Supreme Personality of GodHead to preserve the mood (bhava) of Sudha-Bhakti, not the persons having material motives or desire for liberation (meaning desire for 4 purusarthas).
Now if you accepted Shiva Gita of the same Puran this literal ordering would not make sense to you because there in Lord Shiva is supreme.
In fact the whole verse make no sense for several reasons,
an unalloyed bhakta of God would not lie and if he did it would be for in best interest of one who is lied to. But from what I gather according to you this people are made to be deluded even more, so what is in gods name the purpose of this delusion?
We can all agree on material desire and its draw back, but 4 pursartha?
I am afraid you be on your own because no Hindu dare reject it, take dharma away and we are no better then animals. Dharma ,atrth kaam and moksa whatТs in the gods name wrong with it ?
Lord Krishna says
catur-vidha bhajante mam
janah sukrtino 'rjuna
arto jijnasur artharthi
jnani ca bharatarsabha
Four types of virtuous ones worship or seek Me, O Arjuna. They are: the distressed, the seeker of Self-knowledge, the seeker of wealth, and the wise one who knows the Supreme. (7.16)
So there is nothing wrong in (siva gita) that. Actually it is correct as per
Madhurya-gata-sidhhanta of Sri Gaudiya Vaisnava Sampradaya. Lord Siva is the greatest of vaisnavas,
Your explanation is not honest I asked you if you accept Siva Gita and here you are explaining how he is a greatest servant where else, Siva Gita extol him to be supreme.
It is not correct or otherwise because Madhurya -gata-Sidhantaa say so but because that is what Padma puran say so. Do you accept that?
As of now, I won't say that Sriman Madhvacarya did
not quote these verses, because I haven't read all of his commentaries/literature.
And you claim to come in his line of sampradaya?
We don't accept that vidharmis have tempered with our scriptures, though we do beleive that they distroyed many of them like burning of great library in taxila etc
You betray your biased love for Vishnu otherwise it is well researched by many Hindus that there is actually interpolation of our Puranas. As a hindu I have many reason to believe so. You are welcome to your belief but that does not change the fact. All you have to do is research puranas, how they were preserved and how many version of the same were found differing with each other.
Jai Shree Krishna
Rig Veda list only 33 devas, they are all propitiated, worthy off our worship, all other names of gods are derivative from this 33 originals,
Bhagvat Gita; Shree Krishna says Chapter 3.11 devan bhavayatanena te deva bhavayantu vah parasparam bhavayantah sreyah param avapsyatha Chapter 17.4 yajante sattvika devan yaksa-raksamsi rajasah pretan bhuta-ganams canye yajante tamasa janah
The world disappears in him. He is the peaceful, the good, the one without a second.
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