Re: Krishna never used ' Vaikuntha ' word
Originally Posted by
hinduism♥krishna
Namaste , viraja .
I don't agree with you at all . Yes , jiva is a part . But know that bhagavat purana has stated that the jiva constitues mind , intellect and prana . It is not real thing at all .Further says that it is imagined as a part . There shri krishna says that jiva gets merged in him at the time of moksha .
You said that atma is not all-pervading .It's absolutely wrong . The gita is enough to prove all-pervading nature of atma . I thing shri krishna has described atma as 'sarvagatah -omnipresent ' . Besides , there are many supports from upanishadas and bhagavat purana .
Shri krishna has described his real abode as ' avyakta -formless ' in BG 8.21 . He didn't mention vaikuntha loka there . I think vaikuntha is not formless which has doors to enter .
In case of moksha , kaivalya is regarded as the highest . Bramha-bhoota state is the base of sayujyata . It is oneness with bramhan . When person's mind gets absorbed in that bramhan , then it is called bramhabhoota state .It is the base to become complete bramhan . Beyond this ,there is highest mukti ' sayujyata oe kaivalya ' . It has not even the oneness or any duality .There that devotee becomes complete bramhan in which there is not even the feeling of 'I am bramhan '
The liberation which is known as Salokata and that which is called Sameepata became the ornaments in the ankles of Shri Hari and began to make tiny sweet sounds. Saroopta became the ankle-chains and Sayujjyata became Painjanas. All the happiness of the world is at the feet of Shri Hari and Trance finds resting place at these feet.
Thank you, HLK. Then I think teachings of VA (as jignyAsu ji points out) is different from that of Advaita Vaishnavism (of Smarta sect) as in VA, one cannot attain oneness with Brahman. But, it is good to know a different school of thought. Well, I have to say, the smarta way of thinking atleast eliminates one question I had always in my mind - what is the future of mukta jeevatmas? I even used to think at some point in the vast infinity of time they do get to become the deity they worshiped themselves -- the smarta Vaishnavism concept seems to point to this. Thanks again.
jai hanuman gyan gun sagar jai kapis tihu lok ujagar
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