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    Re: Desireless action

    Namaste Devotee ji,

    I agree with you and understand your point very well.

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    This is why a being is born in certain Kula, grows in a certain environment, gets different opportunities which appear to be just by chance. Therefore, if you are trying to go completely against your prarabdha, it may be extremely difficult and may not be possible at all unless you meet someone with very powerful mind to help you out as a special case. Mostly we tend to act as per our in-born gunas while also applying our will power to overcome our weaknesses and moving towards our goals.
    Going against inborn prakruti is unwise.

    For one who live a pure spiritual life or has moksha as the only goal, ISvara takes care of him/her ... and ISvara does not make you do anything against your unborn prakruti.

    For masses, suitable path should be selected that helps one progress spiritually and also do his/her duty to family and this world honestly.

    BUT, if one is not spiritual, and if anything wrong happens AND one does not raise their voice against injustice, thinking at it is an act of God or it is in our prarabhdha, then society may become unprotected.

    Our shastras ask us to protect ourselves and kshatriyas (anyone with fighting spirit) should take a lead.

    Rules for sanyasin and average householder are different. Householder has his own responsibilities. But one should spare some time for atmic upliftment.

    Sanyasins are one is a lakh. They live different life and remain neutral to whatever is happening around. But average Hindu has to stay alert, fight for unjustice, take side of dharma and live without fear. Side by Side s/he should practice spirituality also.

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    All forms of God be it Rama, Krishna, Shiva, GAnesha, Skanda, Amba Mata, et al have weapons in hands. They are not for destructive purpose. For sanyasins, they indicate mental fight with internal enemies like kama, krodha, lobha, moha, ahamkara. This mental fight is to fight with fighting

    For laymen, one should be alert, free from fear and raise their voice against injustice.

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    Last edited by Amrut; 11 May 2014 at 12:02 PM. Reason: added lines after EDIT
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    Re: Desireless action

    Quote Originally Posted by wundermonk View Post
    Premise 2: Desire is a necessary condition of action.
    I have not gone through the whole thread, Wondermonk, which I will do. But the answer is very simple. It is just the second chapter of BhagawadGita, and Lord Krishna is trying to make Arjuna fight. Arjuna is not yet enlightened, therefore, the carrot - 'winning you will rule the earth'. This would not make any difference to an enlightened person. If an enlightened person would act, he would do so because 'dharma' requires it. Arjuna finally becomes enlightened in the 18th chapter. At that time he will know the correct course of action without any rewards (ma phaleshu kadachana).
    "Paropakaram punyaya, papaya parapeedanam."
    (Helping others is merit, causing pain is sin)

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    Re: Desireless action

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    Quote Originally Posted by aupmanyav View Post
    I have not gone through the whole thread, Wondermonk, which I will do. But the answer is very simple. It is just the second chapter of BhagawadGita, and Lord Krishna is trying to make Arjuna fight. Arjuna is not yet enlightened, therefore, the carrot - 'winning you will rule the earth'. This would not make any difference to an enlightened person. If an enlightened person would act, he would do so because 'dharma' requires it. Arjuna finally becomes enlightened in the 18th chapter. At that time he will know the correct course of action without any rewards (ma phaleshu kadachana).
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    Re: Desireless action

    This is Desire for RESULTS and NOT Actions. in fact Desire for Action should not decrease !!! This is a very common mistake of understanding. Hence a great question for many of us.

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