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  1. #21

    Re: Sikhism- a seperate religion?

    Yes, I think Sikhism is a separate religion. Just set aside the semantics and let them be. Who are we to decide the status of another ideology? If we do so, we are no better than the demon spawn running our world in this Kali Yuga.

  2. #22

    Re: Sikhism- a seperate religion?

    Philosophical differences aside, Sikhism (like Buddhism and Jainism) is an Indic way of life. This separates it, at least by way of labelling, from the ones whom are labelled Hindu.

    Having said that, there is an unmistakable streak of common thought that runs through all Indic systems of thought. Sikhism is no exception.

    Politically, this sort of differentiation is only detrimental to India. We already have a legal code that differentiates between people from different religious communities. Tjis tendency catching on can not be good news. The Khalistan movement is one example of separatism that came up in recent times. Pakistan was a successful secessionist movement.

    The logic runs like this: India is for Hindus. Sikhs, therefore are a religious minority. They can't trust Hindus for their well-being. They need a separate land of their own. This paranoid streak is not Indic at all. It is a product of the separatist mentality that invaders brought to India and it can only hurt Bharata.
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    Re: Sikhism- a seperate religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by Singh Khalsa View Post
    Vaheguroo Ji Ka Khalsa Vaheguroo Ji Ki Fateh

    Bhai Gurdas Vara is a scripture of the Sikhs given authority by the 5th Guru, Guru Arjan Dev Ji Maharaj himself. It is known as the "key to Guru Granth Sahib Ji", as it helps us to understand the philosophy of Guru Granth Sahib Ji.

    Many people believe that Guru Nanak Dev Ji did not start a new religion, this is incorrect, Bhai Gurdas Vara confirm this:

    ਮਾਰਿਆ ਸਿਕਾ ਜਗਤਿ ਵਿਚਿ ਨਾਨਕ ਨਿਰਮਲ ਪੰਥੁ ਚਲਾਇਆ ।
    maariaa sikaa jagati vichi naanak niramal pandu chalaaiaa|
    In the world, he (Guru Nanak Dev Ji) established the authority (of his doctrines) and started a religion, devoid of any impurity.

    Similarly, Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaj was also asked about his path:

    First there were Hindus and Muslims, take note, there are three now. (GurPartapSurya)

    On his way towards Deccan, Guru Gobind Singh reached Pushkar .The discussion that took place there is recorded this way in Surya Prakash.
    Brahmins, Merchants and others came with Pandit Chaitin. Having made salutation they sat down in the assembly and asked, “What is their Caste? How we recognize them. Your companions wear unshorn hair, what we can say is their Caste? There are many new garbs, but none of them is Hindu or Moslem.” Having heard that Guru replied, “Khalsa is the third Panth in the world. It is distinct from Hindus and Moslems. They are servants of the Eternal, Immortal.” When Guru Gobind Singh met the Emperor Bahadur Shah, this discussion transpired. Bahadur Shah said, “There are two religions, Hindus and Moslems, What appeals to you? On what you have faith, Hinduism or Islam?” To that Guru Gobind Singh replied, "Hindu, Moslems whatever way they follow we wish them both well. The Moslems preach fasting; prayer call and five prayers are supreme for them. Hindus perform Sandhya, adoration and rites of stone Gods, and such others are acceptable to Hindus. We consider both the same way abandoning all others; we have established the Khalsa as the third (religion). Without distinction we abandon all else and seek the shelter of the Eternal, the Purusha." (Gur Pratap Surya)
    Gur Bilas and Panth Parkash: To the two religions was added the Third. Taking the support of Almighty, Guru Gobind Singh created the Khalsa Panth, above the Hindus and Moslems. "Forgetting all ways adopt the Khalsa Panth,” said the Tenth Guru, the Light Incarnate. (Gur Bilas) Again distinct from the Hindus and Moslems, He said, "Establish I this Panth, powerful indeed." (Panth Parkash)

    I hope that this post has removed any illusion

    Vaheguroo Ji Ka Khalsa Vaheguroo Ji Ki Fateh
    "Panth" is not ment by "Religion"
    "Panth" is ment by "Teachings for Religion"

    And

    "Religion" means Reunion with the begaining, or from where we started the journey of life, or the nick name is "God".

    Yes, Nanak started the new "Panth" means he started the true spiritual teachings, But not a different "Religion" or "Caste".

    _/\_Jasdir.
    "Everything is he, he is for Everyone, So to whom we can say.... is worse, As there is nothing other than Him." -Guru Nanak.

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    Re: Sikhism- a seperate religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by jasdir View Post
    "Panth" is not ment by "Religion"
    "Panth" is ment by "Teachings for Religion"

    And

    "Religion" means Reunion with the begaining, or from where we started the journey of life, or the nick name is "God".

    Yes, Nanak started the new "Panth" means he started the true spiritual teachings, But not a different "Religion" or "Caste".

    _/\_Jasdir.
    Well said Jasdir!
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  5. #25

    Re: Sikhism- a seperate religion?

    Hindus are not bent on amalgamating Sikhs into the Hindu umbrella. Hindus just naturally include all other Dharmic religions into Hinduism because for what is worth atleast they all share the same base and only some minor differences. Hindus see Jainism, Buddhism and Sikhism as types of Hinduism within the diverse Hindu religion.

    - Jainism is a native Indian, peaceful, non-theistic yet in all other ways imaginable spiritually Hindu religion.

    - Buddhism, especially the popular "Eastern" Buddhism of today is simply a form of Hinduism tailored for the Orientals.

    - Sikhism is a pantheistic-monistic-monotheistic reformed school of Hinduism that has a strong mystical touch. Sikhism differs from mainstream Hinduism in the sense that it has Sufi style poetic influence and a modern character, a character that was shaped by the struggles its adherents underwent in the region of its establishment in fighting to defend the innocent.

    In the state of Punjab where Sikhs are concentrated. Hindus and Sikhs live together as though they are brothers of one family. You won't even know that a male is a Sikh, if they don't wear a turban and are shaved. Because you will find a Sikh praying at a Hindu temple, attending Sikh/Hindu festivals and hanging out at his Hindu friend's or neighbour's house like as though he is a member of the family. A Sikh or a Hindu will look upon his Hindu or Sikh friend's sister as his own sister. And his friend's parents will entrust him their daughter to be protected of as though a real brother would.

    Things Muslims will never understand...

  6. #26

    Re: Sikhism- a seperate religion?

    Yes, I think Sikhism is a separate religion. Just set aside the semantics and let them be. Who are we to decide the status of another ideology
    Exactly.
    India has accepted different religions and none over thousands of years.

    India is a secular state, though with problems, but it is on the right path, hence can accept differences in ideologies, and get along as fellow human beings

  7. Re: Sikhism- a seperate religion?

    May be a Religion but not separate Dharma
    Hinduism is the only Dharma

    Guru Gobind Singh ji Himself said in His autobiography - Vichitra Natak,
    His devotional songs - Chandi DI Var, and
    Letters to Islamic Fundamentalism - Zafarnama.

    Anti Hindus are always out to make differences between various sects of Hinduism to weak Dharma. We should avoid Adharmic teachings.
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