Hari Om
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Willie wrote the following:
The vedas , for all they are claimed to say , don't really say anything about reincarnation. At least, no in clear words. And talk about a hard text to read , well you better be talking about the vedas. Only 6% of which are available to be read, in the first place. So as a little mental exercise , think about this. What would the old testament be like if we only had 6% of it to look at?
Namaste Willie,
Addressing reincarnation ...
It would be good for you to post your thoughts on this as we have addressed them. Not only can we read of the results of ones life cycle in the Chandogya Upanishad as part of the Panchagni Vidya told to Svetaketu, we can also read of the path of the liberated (jivanmukti) and their path upon dropping this body. This is in the Katha Upanishad Canto 2, valli 3.
Now that said,
IMHO this conversation needs to have purpose (prayojana). You have been reasonable about stating your doubts (samshaya) which is how one learns. Yet at some point the discussion needs to blossom where one considers other POV's and at least chews on it and does something with it.
What an I alluding to here? It is with good intention (I believe) the members posting on this matter are acting in good faith to serve up ideas for your consideration, this is the quality of HDF. This infers on your part that you will then consider some of the positions and readings that are suggested. The discussion (vada) then remains positive and open and avoids polemics (jalpa).
I think you have stated your case well, and many have received it in that manner. Yet if nothing is done with the information then we are playing 'bring me a rock'. This is the conscious and some times un-conscious position of trying to draw conclusions (nirnaya), yet with wavering input and directional change:
Bring me a rock... no, I want a bigger rock. Yes, but the big rock is not blue. Yes, the rock is big and blue yet it has sharp corners. Now the rock is big, blue and without sharp corners, what is it's origin? I Need one from Italy.
You can see that the well-intended are trying to satisfy a need that is not well defined. We then get into generalizing - (samanyacchala) and making challenging statements because the possibility of the Whole being wrong due to it's part being in question.
Point to be made: the Veda's are in question due to your observation they do not call out reincarnation. This has been addressed and submitted to your good nature, yet not acknowledged (as yet by you).
Next item: The Veda's are only 6% present and accounted for. Multiple points of view have been offered for your consideration by people that have or are now studying this knowledge.
Now, to make this something other then a disagreement on first principles (nigrahasthana) it is now in your court to ponder these points offered and compare and contrast them to your thinking; That is, if there has been an evolution in thinking and some point has been changed or where you may continue to have more doubts.
If this is not considered, then we are playing Bring me a Rock. We all can then cease and desist, as there are more important discussions one can entertain.
You can restrain your breath a 1,000 times dailty, but one's ignorance will not vanish without the wisdom of the Upanishads - Swami Sivanananda
thank you for your time on this matter.
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