Originally Posted by
Mana
Namaste,
All thanks and prayers to my Guru for sharing this knowledge with me.
Dear Krishna TVM here is a little expansion of this subject,
The upagraha exist in manas and are to us, somewhat as the bhāva are to rasi, they in fact link the graha to the rasi via the nakshatra or rasi dispositor. mandhi and gulika are quite different upagraha calculated in very different ways; mandhi being the son of yama and gulika the son of śani.
Found roughly 180 degrees apart. For the calculation of the saptaupagraha, the day and night are both taken as differentiated into 8 velā of 4 pada each, giving 32 pada in all for a day or a night. This is for the saptaupagraha and is not the case for mandi.
Imagine an 8 petalled lotus, the point of each petal the middle of each velā, this is where the upagraha are considered to be. The order is set by the lord of the day.
To understand how these two interact we need to understand that there are two sets of upagraha which are different, one for the daytime and another for the night and then need consider good and bad, the effect to children both in and out of wedlock for example, also night born / day born. The chart of conception is also important here, night or day.
saṇjNā - All knowledge - Night
chāyā - The shadow - Day
Mandi is "give poison", the point from where we sin or create bad karma. gulika is "take poison", the point from where we receive poison, due to past karma or sin.
one 8th of the day, or a velā are used for the calculation of gulika and his fellows, where as 30 ghāṭikā are used for mandi and his fellows excepting that only mandi is used in his case.
In so far as "rules" are concerned, rules are not the best way to approach this topic. That said, One born with gulika on lagna is said to be "janma gukika" may know great suffering and problems to their health.
Kind regards.
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