Bhagavan Ramana Maharshi's Self Inquiry - Explained...

[ameyAtmA]

Dear AmeyAtma,
Namasthe!



yes ideed ... but if mind is dead, how can it be functioning or non-functioning. What did he mean by death of mind in such a case ?

Love!
Silence

Namaste Silence

Rather than giving an answer in words, I would like to simply illustrate the point with examples of dead minds :

1. http://www.hindudharmaforums.com/sho...2&postcount=15

Sant DnyAneshwar calls it the amrut-zarA (eternal waterfall of nectar ). Gauranga calls it the bhakti latA (creeper of pure devotion) that broke the outer covering of the material universe.
What is this? It is that spontaneity, that never causes boredom, whose navaneet evergreen freshness never tapers off.

What is this? and Where is this?
It is in the Divinity of the Divine, the mAdhurya (sweetness) of mAdhav, vAsudevatva of vAsudev, kAruNya of the karNAsAgar, that tattva (principle) and the Source of that tattva, madhU of madhusUdan, saundarya of ShyAmsundar, daivI guNa of the nirguN, ...

2. Gossip of the season: Oh Radha has gone crazy

Trust me I did not make those two posts in order to make a point on this thread. It looks like Mukunda had a plan and used this puppet-instrument to plant the seeds. What of that puppet? Dead mind?

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The mind-dead jnani is too engrossed in this "amrut-zarA" to pay attention to/ internally-externally react to the people who treated the jnani as an imbecile, insulted, shamed, showed contempt, condemned, belittled the jnani. Since the mind is dead.

MIND sprouts from EGO-DRIVEN CONCEPTUALIZATION OF LOCAL ME.
Of Course. The Chaturvyuha : Four Whorls of the Lotus-Being

1. VAsudev --- AtmA -- innermost whorl from which arises
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2. SankarshaN --- ahaMkAr (ego)-- second whorl from which arises
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3. Pradyumna -- mAnas (mind) -- third whorl (vyuha)
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4. Aniruddha --- buddhi (intellect) -- fourth whorl

[silence_speaks]

Dear ameyAtmA,
Namasthe!

Nice post. Now, please see ...

You have now presented a view. A view based upon your understanding of "dead mind" as per Ramana.

If this has to be what Ramana said it has to be in concurrence with his teaching elsewhere. That is a holistic way of looking at it .

Here is what Annamalai Swami says [Ramana also says it several time]:
Mind is never there to be killed !

What does it mean ?

From your interpretation ... when "Bhakti" overflows ... there is a "transformation" which leads to mind-less "state"

but Ramana's statement is not about a "Transformation" ... its about "Now" , "Here" ? He says "Mind never IS" ! How can that be ?



And Most Important: They say the "Experience" is already there in every one !! How come ?

Quotes for this are already present above !

Love!
Silence

[ameyAtmA]

Namaste

That was your interpretation of my post -- "that there is a transformation"
I never said that anywhere.

If you look at the first link above, I said in that post --- that the so-called devotee is non-existent. There is nothing great about the devotee becs there isn't one around. The wonder and greatness lies in the Divine itself.

Easier than that is never ever getting tired of the Holy Names and becoming a cookie monster for the Holy Names.
Can't have enough of that Beloved Mukunda -- but this does not make the devotee-cookie-monster some wonder or a "great devotee" because this "me" in this context is non-existent! The wonder is in the Holy Names, Holy Forms, Divine qualities, pastimes of the Divine!

Hari nAma PrabhU, Hari Himself, Hari guNa gAvA, Hari lIlA , Hari rUpa, Hari rasa Hari bhakti Hari pyAsa....

So the illusory mind being dead means there isn't one to begin with. It is simply the Divine interacting with the Divine, the wonders and glories of the Divine.

Jaya MAdhava madana murAri

[ameyAtmA]

FOOTNOTE: Cookie-Monster is a favourite character from the very popular American children's TV Serial "Sesame Street". Cookie-monster is the blue-colored puppet who can eat an unlimited number of cookies and is always eating cookies but always wants more cookies. So what do you do? Feed him cookies.

[silence_speaks]

Dear ameyAtmA,
Nice post.

Let me continue with my questions ... What ever you wrote till now seems exactly in accordance with Self Inquiry. Ramana mentioned a millon times that Complete Self Surrender and Self Inquiry are one and the same.

But with all that I still have my question :

There being only one.... who does Devotion to whom ?


Love!
Silence

[ameyAtmA]

Thank You Silence

Let me continue with my questions ... What ever you wrote till now seems exactly in accordance with Self Inquiry. Ramana mentioned a millon times that Complete Self Surrender and Self Inquiry are one and the same.

But with all that I still have my question :

There being only one.... who does Devotion to whom ?


Love!
Silence

That first smiley is Me as Radha. The second smiley is Me as Mukunda, KRshNa. Although I alone AM, Shri RAdhA is my Beloved Self, an embodiment of Prem. She is Me , Svayam. I am Her Sva.

I revel in Myself as Radha-KRshNa. KRshNa-Radha. RAdhA-KRshNa KRshNa KRshNa Radha Radha

MaiyA-BAlGopAl BAlGopAl-MaiyA MaiyA-GopAl GopAl-MaiyA

Premi-Preetam Lover-Beloved Radhe-KRshNa Radhe-KRshNa

Shri KRshNa Chaitanya!

** Dear readers, please note this is NOT a [local] mind speaking. This is the real innermost One, the all-pervading One. This is PREM. Please do not misunderstand the words "Me" "Myself" and "Self" to be what they are not. Read very carefully or else do not read, rather...

...Please listen to beloved JayA Kishori Ji
RAdhe KRshNA, RAdhe KRshNa, KRshNa KRshNa, RAdhe RAdhe,
RAdhe ShyAm, RAdhe ShyAmA, ShyAm ShyAmA, RAdhe RAdhe

RAdhe KRshNA, RAdhe KRshNA, KRshNA KRshNA RAdhe RAdhe
RAdhe ShyAm RAdhe ShyAm, ShyAm ShyAm, RAdhe RAdhe

RAdhe ? KR~ ~ shNA RAdhe ? KR~ ~shNA
KRshNA ? KR~ ~shNA RAdhe ? RAdhe RAdhe

RAdhe ? ShyA~ ~ mA RAdhe ? ShyA~ ~mA
ShyA~ ~mA ? ShyA~ ~mA RAdhe ? RAdhe...
...
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[silence_speaks]

Dear Ameyatma,
Very nice!

So in deep sleep is there Radha or Krishna or both ?

Love!
Silence

[ameyAtmA]

Dear Ameyatma,
Very nice!

So in deep sleep is there Radha or Krishna or both ?

Love!
Silence

praNAm

Don't ask how "deep" the sleep is, but during sleep, it is mostly KRshNa Who is
a) silent and Bramhan-nirvAN, AND/ AND-OR
b) looking over the lovely RAdhA who is either

b.1) truly fast asleep [mostly not]
b.2) dreaming of KAnhu
b.3) pretending to sleep and enjoying all the attention She is getting as a result
b.4) observing nonsensical thoughts/dreams injected by mAyA
b.5) awake and existing with Shri KRshNa while the body rests, and also engaging in lIlA, travel...



In any case, (a) always always holds, perpetually because this is KRshNa's perpetual eternal state although He manifests multiple / numerous other states in addition, simultaneously. (BramhaNo hi pratishThA aham ...BG 14.27)

[silence_speaks]

Dear Ameyatma,
Namasthe!

I am loving your replies....
so I will continue questioning, to get more LOL:

If something keeps appearing and disappearing ... its just a figment of imagination : Mandukya upanishad ! So is Radha a mere figment of imagination ?

Love!
Silence

[ameyAtmA]

RAdhA is KRshNa Svayam. RAdhA is always in and with KRshNa because RAdhA is His alhAdini Shakti (Anand) and inseperable from Him.

BhagavAn performs LIlA. However, just because He is quiet at a point does not mean RAdhA has disappeared.


om LIlAmAnushavigrahAya namah: