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    Quote Originally Posted by atanu View Post
    yA te rudra shivA tanUraghorApApakAshinI |
    tayA nastanuvA shantamayA girishantAbhichAkashIhi ||
    ( shrI rudram: anuvAka 1 , rik 3; shvetAshvatara Up.: 3.5 )

    O Rudra! O Girishanta By that form of Yours which is not terrifying, which destroys sin by its mere remembrance, and which is all blissful, please behold us and unite us with the highest good!

    Om Namah Shivaya

    May we not forget that by mere remembrance of Girisha -- Lord of Giri, the number "eight "' (there being 8 mountains which surround mount Meru and seven plus one rishis in the body) -- destruction of sins take place.

    Om Namah Shivaya
    In north India, mendicants sing thus:

    Humre Bhole Baba ko bhikari na samajhiyo.

    (Don’t take our Shiva for a beggar).

    Humre Bhole Baba ke haath mein damru: damru ke sanga se madari na samajhiyo!

    (Don’t mistake him for a bear-trainer by his drum).

    Humre Bhole Baba ke haath hai trishula: trishula ke sanga se samhari na samajhiyo!

    (Don’t mistake him for a destroyer by the trishul in his hand)

    Humre Bhole Baba ke sanga hai Gauri: Gauri ke sanga se sansaari na samajhiyo!

    (Don’t take him for a samsari because Gauri is by him).



    Humre Bhole Baba ko bhikari na samajhiyo.

    (Don’t take our Shiva for a beggar).

    Om Namah Shivaya
    Last edited by atanu; 12 December 2009 at 10:14 AM.
    That which is without letters (parts) is the Fourth, beyond apprehension through ordinary means, the cessation of the phenomenal world, the auspicious and the non-dual. Thus Om is certainly the Self. He who knows thus enters the Self by the Self.

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    Bhagwan Shiva
    is shantam shashwatam…
    always cool , when cursed by Daksha , his devotee Nandi cursed the vaishnavas and then the Bhrigu rishi cursed shaivas in retaliation .From sri Bhagwatam….

    Nandīśvara, turned red and blind with anger and he harshly cursed the vaishnavas .
    'May he who in reference to the physique of this one, the non-envious Lord Śiva, bears envy and thus is stupefied by a dual vision, lose all his grip on reality. (22) He who is attracted to the householders life of pretentious religiosity and performs by the explanations of the Vedas in a desire for material happiness and fruitive action, will see his intelligence lost. (23) Let him who with the intelligence of accepting the body as the self has forgotten the knowledge of Viṣṇu and as an animal is attached to sex-life, that excessive Daksha, soon have the head of a goat. (24) May those who follow Daksha in his insults and who in the nescience of their fruitive actions grew dull in their materialistic education and intelligence, time and again end up here in the ocean of material suffering. (25) Let those who are so envious with Lord Śiva and whose minds have grown slow of the enchanting flowery words of the Vedas so profuse with the scent of honey, remain attached. (26) Let those brahmins, who have taken to education, austerity and vows in order to have money and to satisfy their physical senses, wander here as beggars from door to door, eating whatever!'
    Hearing the words of his curse thus against the class of the vaishnavas, pronounced bhrigu rishi .
    'May anyone who takes a vow to please Lord Śiva and follows such principles, become an atheist straying away from the scriptural injunctions. (29) Let them, who have abandoned cleanliness, foolishly having their hairs long, wearing bones and covered in ashes, embark on the lead of Śiva from which one has the spiritual of finding relief in intoxication. (30) Since you in truth blaspheme the brahmins and the allegiance to the Vedas, you have therefore taken shelter of the weakness of atheism. (31) In the Vedas, that are for sure the auspicious eternal path of all people and which in the past have always been rigidly followed, one finds the evidence of Janārdana [the Lord as the well-wisher of all]. (32) Blaspheming that supreme and pure spirit, which is the eternal path of the truthful, you are to end up in atheism where you have your deity, the Lord of matter and the dead [Śiva as Bhūtapati]!'
    'Thus being spoken of in the curse of Bhrigu, did Śiva, the Supreme One, somewhat downcast, leave from there with his followers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kd gupta View Post
    Bhagwan Shiva
    is shantam shashwatam…
    always cool , when cursed by Daksha , his devotee Nandi cursed the vaishnavas and then the Bhrigu rishi cursed shaivas in retaliation .From sri Bhagwatam….

    Nandīśvara, turned red and blind with anger and he harshly cursed the vaishnavas .
    'May he who in reference to the physique of this one, the non-envious Lord Śiva, bears envy and thus is stupefied by a dual vision, lose all his grip on reality. (22) He who is attracted to the householders life of pretentious religiosity and performs by the explanations of the Vedas in a desire for material happiness and fruitive action, will see his intelligence lost. (23) Let him who with the intelligence of accepting the body as the self has forgotten the knowledge of Viṣṇu and as an animal is attached to sex-life, that excessive Daksha, soon have the head of a goat. (24) May those who follow Daksha in his insults and who in the nescience of their fruitive actions grew dull in their materialistic education and intelligence, time and again end up here in the ocean of material suffering. (25) Let those who are so envious with Lord Śiva and whose minds have grown slow of the enchanting flowery words of the Vedas so profuse with the scent of honey, remain attached. (26) Let those brahmins, who have taken to education, austerity and vows in order to have money and to satisfy their physical senses, wander here as beggars from door to door, eating whatever!'
    Hearing the words of his curse thus against the class of the vaishnavas, pronounced bhrigu rishi .
    'May anyone who takes a vow to please Lord Śiva and follows such principles, become an atheist straying away from the scriptural injunctions. (29) Let them, who have abandoned cleanliness, foolishly having their hairs long, wearing bones and covered in ashes, embark on the lead of Śiva from which one has the spiritual of finding relief in intoxication. (30) Since you in truth blaspheme the brahmins and the allegiance to the Vedas, you have therefore taken shelter of the weakness of atheism. (31) In the Vedas, that are for sure the auspicious eternal path of all people and which in the past have always been rigidly followed, one finds the evidence of Janārdana [the Lord as the well-wisher of all]. (32) Blaspheming that supreme and pure spirit, which is the eternal path of the truthful, you are to end up in atheism where you have your deity, the Lord of matter and the dead [Śiva as Bhūtapati]!'
    'Thus being spoken of in the curse of Bhrigu, did Śiva, the Supreme One, somewhat downcast, leave from there with his followers.

    Namaste,

    This is a good story.

    Parameswara Shiva atman is bhutatma (soma-Moon) as well as sarvesvara (rudra). In the thousand names of Rudra recited by Shri Krishna in Mahabharata, there is a name : reviled by many (bahu ninditaya). The nindA has adorned the Lord as Nilkantha.

    Actually Sages, including Vishnu pray thus:

    Canto 8, Chapter 6: Bhagavatam.
    23. O lord Girisa, you are self-effulgent and supreme. You create this world by your energy, and you assume the names Brahma, Visnu and Mahesvara when you act in creation, maintenance and annihilation.
    ---
    35. O greatest of all rulers, your actual identity is impossible for us to understand. As far as we can see, your presence brings flourishing happiness to everyone. Beyond this, no one can appreciate your activities. We can see this much, and nothing more.
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    Bhagavatam is the story of mAya -- how it bewilders even the wise such as bhrigu (Shri Krishna says: I am bhrigu among the sages) or even dharmaraj Indra-Vishnu Nandiesvara.

    Om Namah Shivaya
    That which is without letters (parts) is the Fourth, beyond apprehension through ordinary means, the cessation of the phenomenal world, the auspicious and the non-dual. Thus Om is certainly the Self. He who knows thus enters the Self by the Self.

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    Namaste Atanuji

    What do Dakshinamurti Stotrams , prayed and called for and why ?
    Are they denoting shiva facing south , because the flow of water from shiva lingam is towards north and therefore the face of Nandi should also t



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    Om Namah Shivaya

    True that there is Paramatma (un-nameble and unchangeable different people however, call Paramatma by different names). And there is Bhutatma (Soma) in the created Universe of sleeping, dreaming and waking, as a second, as if. Bhutatma (Soma), is in every jiva and apparently changes due to association with prakriti. But actually is also the Lord, the controller of MAyA. The Guru tattva is also similar -- not without association. Without this association, as Guru and as Isha, IMO, the anAdimat (without beginning) avidya would reign forever. No release would be possible. Soma (Shiva with Uma) is the Bhutatma but the Guru and the Iswara tattwa (as controller of mAyA) are again the Supremest -- it is a role which is beyond any comparison.

    Maitrayana Brahmaya U.
    As Agni (fire) is the food-eater among the gods, and Soma the food, so he who knows this eats food by Agni (is not defiled by food, as little as Agni, the sacrificial fire). This elemental Self, called Soma (food), is also called Agni, as having undeveloped nature for its mouth (as enjoying through nature, and being independent of it), because it is said, 'The Purusha (person) enjoys nature with its three qualities, by the mouth of undeveloped nature.'
    Svet. U.
    Know, then, that prakriti is mAyA and that Great Lord is the Lord of mAyA. The whole universe is filled with objects which are parts of His being.
    So wise sages sing:

    Canto 8, Chapter 6: Bhagavatam.
    35. O greatest of all rulers, your actual identity is impossible for us to understand. As far as we can see, your presence brings flourishing happiness to everyone. Beyond this, no one can appreciate your activities. We can see this much, and nothing more.

    Om Namah Shivaya
    Last edited by atanu; 16 December 2009 at 04:09 AM.
    That which is without letters (parts) is the Fourth, beyond apprehension through ordinary means, the cessation of the phenomenal world, the auspicious and the non-dual. Thus Om is certainly the Self. He who knows thus enters the Self by the Self.

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    Quote Originally Posted by atanu View Post
    Bhagavatam is the story of mAya -- how it bewilders even the wise such as bhrigu (Shri Krishna says: I am bhrigu among the sages) or even dharmaraj Indra-Vishnu Nandiesvara.

    Om Namah Shivaya
    This is very striking and there is nothing more than a personal conviction here rather than having any merit calling Bagawatam as story of maYa. I am so surprised to know how a 'faith' system which is manufactured and made to believe with one conclusion with out any justification make the follower pronounce a verdict with out substance like this.

    Sweetness is not known to those who never attempted to taste the sweet substances that are available. When the gates of knowledge is closed tight, nothing can enter in to such minds but proudly we can still call ourselves "knowledge" seeker only with a big proud ego.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grames View Post
    When the gates of knowledge is closed tight, nothing can enter in to such minds but proudly we can still call ourselves "knowledge" seeker only with a big proud ego.
    Namaste grames,

    Agreed. Do you then discount the following?

    Canto 8, Chapter 6: Bhagavatam.
    35. O greatest of all rulers, your actual identity is impossible for us to understand. As far as we can see, your presence brings flourishing happiness to everyone. Beyond this, no one can appreciate your activities. We can see this much, and nothing more.


    How can the above be compatible with contempt of Bhrigu rishi? That is what I meant.

    Om Namah Shivaya
    That which is without letters (parts) is the Fourth, beyond apprehension through ordinary means, the cessation of the phenomenal world, the auspicious and the non-dual. Thus Om is certainly the Self. He who knows thus enters the Self by the Self.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kd gupta View Post
    Bhagwan Shiva
    is shantam shashwatam…
    always cool , when cursed by Daksha , his devotee Nandi cursed the vaishnavas and then the Bhrigu rishi cursed shaivas in retaliation .From sri Bhagwatam….

    Nandīśvara, turned red and blind with anger and he harshly cursed the vaishnavas .
    'May he who in reference to the physique of this one, the non-envious Lord Śiva, bears envy and thus is stupefied by a dual vision, lose all his grip on reality. (22) He who is attracted to the householders life of pretentious religiosity and performs by the explanations of the Vedas in a desire for material happiness and fruitive action, will see his intelligence lost. (23) Let him who with the intelligence of accepting the body as the self has forgotten the knowledge of Viṣṇu and as an animal is attached to sex-life, that excessive Daksha, soon have the head of a goat. (24) May those who follow Daksha in his insults and who in the nescience of their fruitive actions grew dull in their materialistic education and intelligence, time and again end up here in the ocean of material suffering. (25) Let those who are so envious with Lord Śiva and whose minds have grown slow of the enchanting flowery words of the Vedas so profuse with the scent of honey, remain attached. (26) Let those brahmins, who have taken to education, austerity and vows in order to have money and to satisfy their physical senses, wander here as beggars from door to door, eating whatever!'
    Hearing the words of his curse thus against the class of the vaishnavas, pronounced bhrigu rishi .
    'May anyone who takes a vow to please Lord Śiva and follows such principles, become an atheist straying away from the scriptural injunctions. (29) Let them, who have abandoned cleanliness, foolishly having their hairs long, wearing bones and covered in ashes, embark on the lead of Śiva from which one has the spiritual of finding relief in intoxication. (30) Since you in truth blaspheme the brahmins and the allegiance to the Vedas, you have therefore taken shelter of the weakness of atheism. (31) In the Vedas, that are for sure the auspicious eternal path of all people and which in the past have always been rigidly followed, one finds the evidence of Janārdana [the Lord as the well-wisher of all]. (32) Blaspheming that supreme and pure spirit, which is the eternal path of the truthful, you are to end up in atheism where you have your deity, the Lord of matter and the dead [Śiva as Bhūtapati]!'
    'Thus being spoken of in the curse of Bhrigu, did Śiva, the Supreme One, somewhat downcast, leave from there with his followers.

    Namaste Guptaji,

    This story is thought provoking and i find it instructive of the highest truth. Nandisvara and Bhrigu rishi both are brahma jnanis.

    Neither could be unaware. It is unimaginable that Bhrigu rishi while criticising Shiva devotees for being anti vedic was unaware of Shiva worshipped as Ishwara, Bhagawan, and direct Brahman in the Vedas. Same is true of Nandisvara, who Himself is Vishnu.

    IMO, the story is an instructive drama indicating fate of sectarian worshippers, enacted by Ishwara. In world, all beings are chit but how we oppose and fight chit appearing in other disguises. If Vaisnavas and Shaivas can have such animosity though both sects are pervaded by the same OM, then what about the other sects that will be more and more exposed in consciousness by Vishnu's movement and expansion?

    Om Namah Shivaya
    Last edited by atanu; 19 December 2009 at 12:53 PM. Reason: sp.
    That which is without letters (parts) is the Fourth, beyond apprehension through ordinary means, the cessation of the phenomenal world, the auspicious and the non-dual. Thus Om is certainly the Self. He who knows thus enters the Self by the Self.

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    Namaste all

    Really the story tells us....

    We are inside the temple , now forget the paths ,we adopted .

    Peace , peace and peace . Tad me manah shivasankalmastu .

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    Quote Originally Posted by kd gupta View Post
    Namaste all

    Really the story tells us....

    We are inside the temple, now forget the paths, we adopted .

    Peace , peace and peace . Tad me manah shivasankalmastu .
    Kudos
    That which is without letters (parts) is the Fourth, beyond apprehension through ordinary means, the cessation of the phenomenal world, the auspicious and the non-dual. Thus Om is certainly the Self. He who knows thus enters the Self by the Self.

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