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    Quote Originally Posted by ranjeetmore View Post
    "Bhog matra samya lingacch."
    Jagad vyapar varjjam- Only God can enter,maintain and destroy the universe.This is the difference between Jeevatma and Paramatma.
    - Vedanta sutra.

    Brgu rishi tells his father,Varun in the shruti,"Ananda is Brahm.It is ananda from whom the universe is created,maintained and destroyed."
    When was Brahman associated with 'Jagad vyapar'? Neither is a knower of Brahman who is not different from Brahman a World BusinessMAN.

    There is a huge difference between the Jeeva and Brahm,so says the VEDANTA !!!!
    Shankaracharya commented on the ten specific sutras in the vedanta which completely decry the siddhanta that jeeva is Brahm.
    In those,he Accepted that Jeeva is different from Brahm.
    Srila Veda Vyasa is very staunch in this regard.
    Surely. However, the point is that the "I am" in the Jiva is That. Jiva or an individual is not the owner or creator of "I Am", as you have so eloquently stated above.

    Om Namah Shivaya
    Last edited by atanu; 28 November 2009 at 02:58 AM. Reason: sp.
    That which is without letters (parts) is the Fourth, beyond apprehension through ordinary means, the cessation of the phenomenal world, the auspicious and the non-dual. Thus Om is certainly the Self. He who knows thus enters the Self by the Self.

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    Yes , you are right Atanuji .I am , can not be used so eloquently , it can only be used when jeev is chidanandrupah . See what shruti says...
    Shivamadwaitam chaturtham manyate .

    Or the turiya [ shav ] stage is only shiva .

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    Surely. However, the point is that the "I am" in the Jiva is That. Jiva or an individual is not the owner or creator of "I Am", as you have so eloquently stated above.
    Very confusing sir.Can you explain that more specifically.
    Do you mean to say that Jiva + parmatman= brahman?
    Also i want to know the defintion of jivatma and parmatma as per you and advait.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kd gupta View Post
    Shivamadwaitam chaturtham manyate .

    Or the turiya [ shav ] stage is only shiva .
    Namaste Guptaji,

    I am not sure. For whom is the Turiya shav stage? Are 'shav' and Turiya equivalent?

    Om Namah Shivaya
    That which is without letters (parts) is the Fourth, beyond apprehension through ordinary means, the cessation of the phenomenal world, the auspicious and the non-dual. Thus Om is certainly the Self. He who knows thus enters the Self by the Self.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SANT View Post
    Very confusing sir.Can you explain that more specifically.
    Do you mean to say that Jiva + parmatman= brahman?
    Also i want to know the defintion of jivatma and parmatma as per you and advait.
    Do you mind if the answer (if you really wish for it) is given elsewhere?

    Om
    That which is without letters (parts) is the Fourth, beyond apprehension through ordinary means, the cessation of the phenomenal world, the auspicious and the non-dual. Thus Om is certainly the Self. He who knows thus enters the Self by the Self.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SANT View Post
    Very confusing sir.Can you explain that more specifically.
    Do you mean to say that Jiva + parmatman= brahman?
    Also i want to know the defintion of jivatma and parmatma as per you and advait.
    OK.

    Dakshinamurti Stotram

    Vishvam darpanadrishyamaananagariitulyam nijaantargatam
    Pashyannaatmani maayayaa bahirivodhbhuutam yadaa nidrayaa
    Yah saakshaatkurute prabodhasamaye svaatmaanamevaadvayam
    Tasmai shriigurumuurtaye nama idam shriidakshinaamuurtaye 1

    Biijasyaantarivaankuro jagadidam praannirvikalpam punah
    Maayaakalpita deshakaalakalanaa vaichitryachitriikritamh
    Maayaaviiva vijrimbhayatyapi mahaayogiiva yah svechchhayaa
    Tasmai shriigurumuurtaye nama idam shriidakshinaamuurtaye 2

    Yasyaiva sphuranam sadaatmakamasatkalpaarthakam bhaasate
    Saakshaattattvamasiiti vedavachasaa yo bodhayatyaashritaanh
    Yatsaakshaatkaranaadbhavenna punaraavrittirbhavaambhonidhau
    Tasmai shriigurumuurtaye nama idam shriidakshinaamuurtaye 3

    Naanaachchhidraghatodarasthitahaadiipaprabhaabhaasvaram
    Gyaanam yasya tu chakshuraadikaranadvaaraa bahih spandate
    Jaanaamiiti tameva bhaantamanubhaatyetatsamastam jagath
    Tasmai shriigurumuurtaye nama idam shriidakshinaamuurtaye 4

    Deham praanamapiindriyaanyapi chalaam buddhim cha shuunyam viduh
    Striibaalaandhaja dopamaastvahamiti bhraantaa bhrisham vaadinah
    Maayaashaktivilaasakalpitamahaa vyaamohasanhaarine
    Tasmai shriigurumuurtaye nama idam shriidakshinaamuurtaye 5

    Raahugrastadivaakarendusadrisho maayaasamaachchhaadanaath
    Sanmaatrah karanopasanharanato yoabhuutsushhuptah pumaanh
    Praagasvaapsamiti prabodhasamaye yah pratyabhigyaayate
    Tasmai shriigurumuurtaye nama idam shriidakshinaamuurtaye 6

    Baalyaadishhvapi jaagradaadishhu tathaa sarvaasvavasthaasvapi
    Vyaavrittaasvanuvartamaanamahamityantah sphurantam sadaa
    Svaatmaanam prakatiikaroti bhajataam yo mudrayaa bhadrayaa
    Tasmai shriigurumuurtaye nama idam shriidakshinaamuurtaye 7

    Vishvam pashyati kaaryakaaranatayaa svasvaamisambandhatah
    Shishhyaachaaryatayaa tayaiva pitriputraadyaatmanaa bhedatah
    Svapne jaagrati vaa ya eshha purushho maayaaparibhraamitah
    Tasmai shriigurumuurtaye nama idam shriidakshinaamuurtaye 8

    Bhuurambhaansyanaloaniloambaramaharnaatho himaanshuh pumaanh
    Ityaabhaati charaacharaatmakamidam yasyaiva muurtyashhtakamh
    Naanyatkijnchana vidyate vimrishataam yasmaatparasmaadvibhoh
    Tasmai shriigurumuurtaye nama idam shriidakshinaamuurtaye 9

    Sarvaatmatvamiti sphutiikritamidam yasmaadamushhminh stave
    Tenaasya shravanaattadarthamananaaddhyaanaachcha sankiirtanaath
    Sarvaatmatvamahaavibhuutisahitam syaadiishvaratvam svatah
    Siddhyettatpunarashhtadhaa parinatam chaishvaryamavyaahatamh 10

    http://sanskritdocuments.org/all_pdf/dakshina.pdf

    Om Namah Shivaya
    That which is without letters (parts) is the Fourth, beyond apprehension through ordinary means, the cessation of the phenomenal world, the auspicious and the non-dual. Thus Om is certainly the Self. He who knows thus enters the Self by the Self.

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    ॥श्रीदक्षिणामूर्त्यष्टकम्॥

    विश्वं दर्पणदृश्यमाननगरीतुल्यं निजान्तर्गतं
    पश्यन्नात्मनि मायया बहिरिवोद्भूतं यदा निद्रया ।
    यः साक्षात्कुरुते प्रबोधसमये स्वात्मानमेवाद्वयं
    तस्मै श्रीगुरुमूर्तये नम इदं श्रीदक्षिणामूर्तये ॥१॥

    The universe is the reflection of a mirror. The Truth is the supreme Brahman, the one without a second. The mind, senses and intellect are all able to only discern the reflection of the Atman. The identity of the brahman and the Atman is apparent after self-illumination. I offer my profound salutations to the auspicious Guru, who is an embodiment of Dakshinamurti, and whose grace is responsible for the illumination.

    बीजस्यान्तरिवाङ्कुरो जगदिदं प्राङ्निर्विकल्पं पुनः
    मायाकल्पितदेशकालकलनावैचित्र्यचित्रीकृतम्* ।
    मायावीव विजृम्भयत्यपि महायोगीव यः स्वेच्छया
    तस्मै श्रीगुरुमूर्तये नम इदं श्रीदक्षिणामूर्तये ॥२॥

    He in whom this universe, prior to its projection was present like a tree in a seed(unmanifested), and by whose magic this was transformed(manifested) in various forms, by His own will similar to a yogi’s- to that Dakshinamurti, who is embodied in the auspicious Guru, I offer my profound salutations.

    यस्यैव स्फुरणं सदात्मकमसत्कल्पार्थकं भासते
    साक्षात्तत्त्वमसीति वेदवचसा यो बोधयत्याश्रितान्* ।
    यत्साक्षात्करणाद्भवेन्न पुनरावृत्तिर्भवाम्भोनिधौ
    तस्मै श्रीगुरुमूर्तये नम इदं श्रीदक्षिणामूर्तये ॥३॥

    He, by whose light the (unreal) universe appears real, teaches the truth of brahman to those who want to know the Atman through the vedic statement tattvamasi (thou art That) and He Who puts an end to the samsaric cycle – to that Dakshinamurti, who is embodied in the auspicious Guru, I offer my profound salutations.

    नानाच्छिद्रघटोदरस्थितहादीपप्रभाभास्वरं
    ज्ञानं यस्य तु चक्षुरादिकरणद्वारा बहिः स्पन्दते ।
    जानामीति तमेव भान्तमनुभात्येतत्समस्तं जगत्*
    तस्मै श्रीगुरुमूर्तये नम इदं श्रीदक्षिणामूर्तये ॥४॥

    He whose light gleams through the senses like the light emanating from a pot with holes (in which a lamp is kept), He whose knowledge alone brings the state of knowing (I am That), He whose brightness makes everything shine – to that Dakshinamurti, who is embodied in the auspicious Guru, I offer my profound salutations.

    देहं प्राणमपीन्द्रियाण्यपि चलां बुद्धिं च शून्यं विदुः
    स्त्रीबालान्धजडोपमास्त्वहमिति भ्रान्ता भृशं वादिनः ।
    मायाशक्तिविलासकल्पितमहा व्यामोहसंहारिणे
    तस्मै श्रीगुरुमूर्तये नम इदं श्रीदक्षिणामूर्तये ॥५॥

    Some philosophers contend the body, senses, life-breath, intellect and non-existence (shunya) as the real `I’ (Atman). Their comprehension is worse than that of women, children, blind and the dull. He who destroys this delusion caused by maya (and makes us aware of the Truth)- to that Dakshinamurti, who is embodied in the auspicious Guru, I offer my profound salutations.

    राहुग्रस्तदिवाकरेन्दुसदृशो मायासमाच्छादनात्*
    सन्मात्रः करणोपसंहरणतो योऽभूत्सुषुप्तः पुमान्* ।
    प्रागस्वाप्समिति प्रबोधसमये यः प्रत्यभिज्ञायते
    तस्मै श्रीगुरुमूर्तये नम इदं श्रीदक्षिणामूर्तये ॥६॥

    The brillance of sun exists even when intercepted by Rahu during eclipse. Similarly, the power of cognition only remains suspended during deep sleep. The Self exists as pure being even though unrecognized due to the veil of Maya. A person on awakening becomes aware that he was asleep earlier (and the dream was unreal). Similarly, a person who awakens to the consciousness of the Self recognizes his previous state of ignorance as unreal. He by whose grace alone does one awaken to the consciousness of the Self – to that Dakshinamurti, who is embodied in the auspicious Guru, I offer my profound salutations.

    बाल्यादिष्वपि जाग्रदादिषु तथा सर्वास्ववस्थास्वपि
    व्यावृत्तास्वनुवर्तमानमहमित्यन्तः स्फुरन्तं सदा ।
    स्वात्मानं प्रकटीकरोति भजतां यो मुद्रया भद्रया
    तस्मै श्रीगुरुमूर्तये नम इदं श्रीदक्षिणामूर्तये ॥७॥

    He, whose existence is changeless throughout the various states of the body (like old, young etc) and the mind (waking, dreaming etc), and who reveals the greatest knowledge of Atman by GYaana-mudra (the joining of the thumb and the forefinger of a raised right hand) – to that Dakshinamurti, who is embodied in the auspicious Guru, I offer my profound salutations.

    विश्वं पश्यति कार्यकारणतया स्वस्वामिसंबन्धतः
    शिष्याचार्यतया तयैव पितृपुत्राद्यात्मना भेदतः ।
    स्वप्ने जाग्रति वा य एष पुरुषो मायापरिभ्रामितः
    तस्मै श्रीगुरुमूर्तये नम इदं श्रीदक्षिणामूर्तये ॥८॥

    He, whose power of Maya enables one to experience the world as multiform (like teacher, disciple, father, son etc) during both the waking and dream states – to that Dakshinamurti, who is embodied in the auspicious Guru, I offer my profound salutations.

    भूरम्भांस्यनलोऽनिलोऽम्बरमहर्नाथो हिमांशुः पुमान्*
    इत्याभाति चराचरात्मकमिदं यस्यैव मूर्त्यष्टकम्* ।
    नान्यत्किञ्चन विद्यते विमृशतां यस्मात्परस्माद्विभोः
    तस्मै श्रीगुरुमूर्तये नम इदं श्रीदक्षिणामूर्तये ॥९॥

    He, whose subtle and unmanifest eightfold form causes the moving and unmoving universe, and by whose grace alone does all these manifestation disappear to reveal that `All that exists is Brahman’ – to that Dakshinamurti, who is embodied in the auspicious Guru, I offer my profound salutations.

    सर्वात्मत्वमिति स्फुटीकृतमिदं यस्मादमुष्मिन्* स्तवे
    तेनास्य श्रवणात्तदर्थमननाद्ध्यानाच्च सङ्कीर्तनात्* ।
    सर्वात्मत्वमहाविभूतिसहितं स्यादीश्वरत्वं स्वतः
    सिद्ध्येत्तत्पुनरष्टधा परिणतं चैश्वर्यमव्याहतम्* ॥१०॥

    The verse points out to the all pervasiveness of the indwelling Spirit, Atman. By the recital, contemplation and meditation of this hymn, the disciple attains the state of oneness with Atman and realizes his unity with the universe,thus becoming the very essence of the eightfold manifestation.
    ॥इति श्रीदक्षिणामूर्तिस्तोत्रम्॥
    That which is without letters (parts) is the Fourth, beyond apprehension through ordinary means, the cessation of the phenomenal world, the auspicious and the non-dual. Thus Om is certainly the Self. He who knows thus enters the Self by the Self.

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    Re: I am Shiva

    Adi Sankaracharya's
    Dakshinamuthy Ashtakam
    Translated by P. R. Ramachander*


    I praise and salute that Dakshinamrthy,
    Who faces the south,
    Who explains the true nature of the supreme Brahman,
    Through his state of silence,
    Who is young in looks,
    Who is surrounded by disciples who are old Sages,
    Whose minds are fixed on Brahman,
    Who is the greatest of teachers,
    Who shows the Chinmudhra* by his hand,
    Who is personification of happiness,
    Who is in the state of extreme joy within himself,
    And who has a smiling face.


    Similar to the image of a town as seen in the mirror,
    When one sees the image of the world within him,
    The world appears as if it is outside.
    It is similar to his seeing due to illusion,
    During the state of sleep,
    That the one real fact appears as many different truths,
    And he realizes ,when he wakes up and sees the reality,
    That he is really the one and only one soul.
    Salutation to the God facing the south,
    Who is the greatest teacher.


    Like the germ inside the seed is its part ,
    But becomes different after development
    The many places and time which are before us ,
    Are drawn by illusion in the board of life in a peculiar manner,
    By a great savant or an expert Siddha,
    Who can create them as per their will,
    Salutation to the God facing the south,
    Who is the greatest teacher.

    He who exists as the real light of truth,
    And shines in the false world of appearance,
    And He who teaches disciples the great saying,
    “Thou art that” after realizing its import,
    Gets away from this cycle of life and death.
    Salutation to the God facing the south,
    Who is the greatest teacher.


    Like the light emanating from a lamp,
    Kept in a pot with many holes,
    Goes out in all directions,
    In the person in whom the wisdom goes out
    Through the openings of ear , eye , mouth and thought,
    And when that person realizes that ‘I know myself”,
    This whole universe shines after Him alone ,
    Who shines in the consciousness as the knower.
    Salutation to the God facing the south,
    Who is the greatest teacher.


    Those great philosophers, who think that,
    The body , the soul and the fickle intellect,
    The concept of emptiness and all other nothingness,
    Are nothing but themselves,
    Are similar to the women children , blind and the ignorant.
    It is only He who can destroy, this veil of ignorance,
    And wake us up from this state of deceit.
    Salutation to the God facing the south,
    Who is the greatest teacher.

    Similar to the Sun when being masked by the serpent Rahu,
    Knows that it was existing , once the eclipse is over
    That man whose senses are suppressed
    When he is asleep,
    Because of the veil of illusion,
    Realizes that he was in the state of sleep,
    When he wakes up.
    Salutation to the God facing the south,
    Who is the greatest teacher.


    Salutations to him who shines and exhibits,
    Himself by the beatific Chinmudhra of the hand,
    That he exists within the humans as self,
    Forever and non changing,
    Even during the changing states of childhood, youth and old age
    And even during the states of sleep, dream and wakefulness.
    Salutation to the God facing the south,
    Who is the greatest teacher.

    The world sees as cause and effect,
    The differences between us and our lord,
    The distinction between teacher and the taught,
    The distinction between father and son,
    And so the man is confused by illusion,
    And believes in these differences,
    During the times of dream and wakefulness.
    Salutation to the God facing the south,
    Who is the greatest teacher.

    To the sake of which supreme Brahman,
    The universe is shining as self ,
    Which is Movable and immovable , with its aspects?
    Of water, fire, air, space,
    The sun, moon and the individual soul ,
    And also to those who examine the truth behind ,
    The meaning of this universe and find ,
    That it Consists of nothing but,
    The God who is every where.
    Salutation to the God facing the south,
    Who is the greatest teacher.


    Om Namah Shivaya
    That which is without letters (parts) is the Fourth, beyond apprehension through ordinary means, the cessation of the phenomenal world, the auspicious and the non-dual. Thus Om is certainly the Self. He who knows thus enters the Self by the Self.

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    Do you not beleive that There are two in this body-parmatam and jivatma both are there.
    OR do you beleive something else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SANT View Post
    Do you not beleive that There are two in this body-parmatam and jivatma both are there.
    OR do you beleive something else.
    Namaste Sant,

    Please read the verses following the 'Two Bird' verses in either Mundka or in Svet. Up.
    ----------------------

    Isn't it upto the seer?

    Svet. Up.
    IV-18: When ignorance is dispelled, there is neither day nor night, neither being nor non-being. There is only that Auspicious One who is imperishable, and who is worthy of being adored by the creator (mind). From Him has proceeded the ancient wisdom.

    Or, is it not upto the knower (mind-ego) to create variety, knowingly (as by Rishis) or unknowingly (as by us)?

    BG 13. 27. Wherever a being is born, whether it be unmoving or moving, know thou, O best of the Bharatas (Arjuna), that it is from the union between the Field and its Knower.
    (This verse hides a lot).

    Is there birth of anything till a knower unites with the field? And then the born must perish. Although the born may appear intelligent, it is not. OTOH, Advaita is anadimat and the ancient source of wisdom, by whom only the field is illuminated.

    Om Namah Shivaya
    That which is without letters (parts) is the Fourth, beyond apprehension through ordinary means, the cessation of the phenomenal world, the auspicious and the non-dual. Thus Om is certainly the Self. He who knows thus enters the Self by the Self.

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