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    I agree with Tat Vam Asi

    Varna is based on three aspects
    1.Charecter(Guna)
    2.Occupation
    3.Jati(Birth)

    Based on these aspects, the terms Brahmana,Kshatriya,Vaishya and Shudra are defined accordingly

    Now there is no superiority - inferiority in varna based on occupation or on varna based on birth but certainly there is superiority in terms of Character.Certainly a Bramana is superior to Kashatriya who is superior to Vaishya who is superior to Shudra in terms of charecter.

    For example, if there is someone who is born to Brahmin parents becomes M.L.A and ammasses a lot of wealth then he is Jati Brahmana, Kshatriya by occupation and Vaishya by Guna(Chacrecter)

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    Talking Re: Bhagavad Gita: Varna system misunderstanding

    Unfortunately some people on this forum still dont get the message.
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    Re: Bhagavad Gita: Varna system misunderstanding

    It is interesting to see the same inane arguments repeated again and again on past threads as well.

    Despite there being not one shruti quite saying varna is by birth,people still persist in pretending that it is an irrefutable truth.
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    Re: Bhagavad Gita: Varna system misunderstanding

    Guna and Karma is the determining factor for Varna of Soul!

    Varna of the body has no significance for the Spiritual growth and Jati is man made and only binds the man to his birth related duties and not the PurushaArthas. Promoting this Jati as Spiritual birth is insanity and many times thrown out of practice by many great seers of Hinduism.

    Birth is only an extra opportunity but in Kali Yug, all birth are Sudra Varna or lower than that. So, why bother when you know its not your birth which is declared as "Sudra" varna instead take the new spiritual birth of what ever your soul naturally is.

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    Re: Bhagavad Gita: Varna system misunderstanding

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    Quote Originally Posted by grames View Post
    Guna and Karma is the determining factor for Varna of Soul!

    Varna of the body has no significance for the Spiritual growth and Jati is man made and only binds the man to his birth related duties and not the PurushaArthas. Promoting this Jati as Spiritual birth is insanity and many times thrown out of practice by many great seers of Hinduism.

    Birth is only an extra opportunity but in Kali Yug, all birth are Sudra Varna or lower than that. So, why bother when you know its not your birth which is declared as "Sudra" varna instead take the new spiritual birth of what ever your soul naturally is.
    Now that's a new, where is it mentioned dwaita varna, of the body and the soul?
    If everyone is born a Sudra even then where is the question of this two.
    Whose guna karma is it? Body is dead.

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    Re: Bhagavad Gita: Varna system misunderstanding

    Namaste

    Surely karma plays a role in the circumstance of birth, but isn't the purpose two fold one being to return some balance to the individual and to present circumstance for an environment of challenge and enhancement of spiritual evolution. For those who do not agree how would you explain crippled children being born to parents in all strati of society?

    Although the above is not the only determining factor in rebirth I think that caste, a perversion of varna imho, is not a lifelong status. Moreover it is determined by a society of upper castes hence an upper class family who has a child that becomes a "dirt bag" and criminal still retains a status he did not earn.

    Lastly I don't believe that a person's caste is an indicator of his or her spiritual state.

    I am only stating my understanding of karma and birth not denying other factors.

    This is my understanding and would appreciate correction.
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    Re: Bhagavad Gita: Varna system misunderstanding

    Quote Originally Posted by grames View Post
    Guna and Karma is the determining factor for Varna of Soul!

    Varna of the body has no significance for the Spiritual growth and Jati is man made and only binds the man to his birth related duties and not the PurushaArthas. Promoting this Jati as Spiritual birth is insanity and many times thrown out of practice by many great seers of Hinduism.

    Birth is only an extra opportunity but in Kali Yug, all birth are Sudra Varna or lower than that. So, why bother when you know its not your birth which is declared as "Sudra" varna instead take the new spiritual birth of what ever your soul naturally is.
    "in Kali Yug, all birth are Sudra Varna or lower than that"

    Huh?
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    Re: Bhagavad Gita: Varna system misunderstanding

    Huh is for what??

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    Re: Bhagavad Gita: Varna system misunderstanding

    Quote Originally Posted by grames View Post
    Huh is for what??
    My "Huh?" was a reaction the the statement quoted below. Please accept my apology for not being clear.

    "in Kali Yug, all birth are Sudra Varna or lower than that"
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    Re: Bhagavad Gita: Varna system misunderstanding

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    namaste,

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