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    Re: Smoke from religious sites 'melting Himalayan glaciers'

    Perhaps you should refrain from talking matters scientific at least in HDF .

    Just fyi, the soot generated in funeral is minimal and gets settled on the ground pretty fast and mixup with dust.And it's contribution to radiation is negligible .Not any where near a concrete building or a metal vehicle.

    Quote Originally Posted by Araloka View Post
    Burning of organic materials creates soot which also absorbs more solar radiation because of its dark color... if you doubt it you can test it out by washing white and black clothes together and putting them in the dryer, the black clothes will dry at least THREE TIMES faster because of this. Its not conspiracy theory. Anything which reduces the albedo of the planet is going to increase its warming, including soot settling on ice or snow. And you can not simply look away and say "Well, they eat cows" it doesn't matter - the reduction in albedo has nothing to do with cows, it is soot.

    And I know a lot of religious people say "Well, oh well, God will save us no matter what" but no avatar or prophet of God in ANY religion ever said God said he would prevent us from making our world uninhabitable. If we do stupid things, we will have to deal with it.

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    Re: Smoke from religious sites 'melting Himalayan glaciers'

    Namaste,

    Quote Originally Posted by ShivaFan View Post
    No one knows the exact reasons for "global" warming
    Oh yeah? Ask Al Gore, he will give you all the reasons you need.
    Sorry ShivaFan, could not resist.

    But all kidding aside,
    Quote Originally Posted by Araloka View Post
    .....you can test it out by washing white and black clothes together and putting them in the dryer, .....
    In India, most people dry their laundry by hanging it on clotheslines in the open. What do the dryers and washers run on? Dry spit?
    Fossil fuels and coal used to generate electricity DO create severe environmental problems. Nuclear power plants offer even bigger challenges. And everyone in the Western world uses washers/dryers. Please do a complete analysis of the issues.

    And Chanduji,
    Quote Originally Posted by chandu_69 View Post
    Perhaps you should refrain from talking matters scientific at least in HDF.
    There is no need to hide from the science, that would be a step backwards.

    Looking at the whole situation, cremation started with firewood in the ancient times as that was the only fuel available. If the technology and economic means permit, that may be changed to electric cremation, as the intent is to burn the dead instead of burying them. But Hindu religious ceremonies; they are what they are. Any one who does not like them can go pound the sand. Rotting abrahamic corpses all over the world, placed few feet underground, must create something, not to mention the land that they steal, where the living could build houses to live in, or do agricultural/business activity. The land cleared for cattle ranchers and the amount of feed required for and the methane produced by the livestock is detrimental to the environment.

    All these self serving papers are issued for the wrong reasons and the rebuttals should be coherent and well thought out, else they don't stick.

    Reminds me of a co-worker who would not buy from WalMart as it was selling all imported items and he wanted to keep his money in America. A week later he was preparing to go for a vacation at his timeshare in Mexico. That was a joke. And I saw him munching on dried apricots and told him that they came from Turkey. Since they had been packaged by an American firm, he assumed that they were California grown. On reading the label, he realized that I was right. All this is slightly off topic, but the intent is to show how misleading and short sighted can people's vision/attitudes be about a million things in our daily lives. The counter arguments should be factual and not based on phony assumptions or be hidden from science.

    Pranam.
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    Re: Smoke from religious sites 'melting Himalayan glaciers'

    Vannakkam: What's next? Arati flames? They cause global warming?

    Aum Namsivaya

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    Namasthe,

    I should have been patient and give a detailed reply.Any how you have covered some aspects to show the stupidity of the argument.

    Quote Originally Posted by Believer View Post
    And Chanduji,

    There is no need to hide from the science, that would be a step backwards.

    ..

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    Re: Smoke from religious sites 'melting Himalayan glaciers'

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ons_per_capita

    List of nations by per capita CO2 emissions. India is a long, long way from the top of the list. The worse offenders are polluting 30 to 40 times worse than your average Indian. 1.37 tonnes of Greenhouse gasses emitted on average by each Indian, 16.9 tonnes by each American.

    It's idiotic to suggest that religious ceremonies are to blame for melting glaciers and global warming, especially when so many fires are lit by people with next to no negative impact on the environment whatsoever.

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    Re: Smoke from religious sites 'melting Himalayan glaciers'

    In India, most people dry their laundry by hanging it on clotheslines in the open. What do the dryers and washers run on? Dry spit?
    Fossil fuels and coal used to generate electricity DO create severe environmental problems. Nuclear power plants offer even bigger challenges. And everyone in the Western world uses washers/dryers. Please do a complete analysis of the issues.
    The point is not how you dry your clothes, it is to show how dark colors absorb more thermal radiation than light colors, something people can see in their own homes. So people can see an example rather than ignorantly dismiss science.

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    Re: Smoke from religious sites 'melting Himalayan glaciers'

    Quote Originally Posted by Sudas Paijavana View Post
    Are you saying that cremation is stupid?

    I didn't say anything like that you are interpolating.

    What is stupid is to dismiss things simply because we don't like the implications or pretend that the things we do are irrelevant because someone else is doing something else (If someone else is murdering someone it does not make it ok to "merely beat" someone). It is also pretend that things which had no ecological impact 2000 years ago because 30 million people were doing them, are not going to have one now when 1.5 billion people are doing them... one person peeing in a river you can not even find any evidence for, but if a million people do, the river is just pee.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Araloka View Post
    I didn't say anything like that you are interpolating.

    What is stupid is to dismiss things simply because we don't like the implications or pretend that the things we do are irrelevant because someone else is doing something else (If someone else is murdering someone it does not make it ok to "merely beat" someone). It is also pretend that things which had no ecological impact 2000 years ago because 30 million people were doing them, are not going to have one now when 1.5 billion people are doing them... one person peeing in a river you can not even find any evidence for, but if a million people do, the river is just pee.
    Read what Hauser wrote, Araloka. Just a few posts above.

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