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    THE 10 OFFENSES

    It is recommened for all the Vaishnavas to avoid nama-apradhas as much as possible. These are as follows:

    From Padma Purana, Brahma Khanda

    1)”satam ninda namnah paramam aparadham vitanute
    yatah khyatim yatam katham u sahate tad-vigarham”

    To blaspheme or criticize the krsna devotees, who have dedicated their lives to chanting the holy name of the Lord.
    The holy name, who is identical with Krsna, will never tolerate such blasphemous activities. Such persons will have to undergo the reactions of there offenses.

    2) “sivasya sri-visnorya iha guna-namadi-sakalam
    dhiya bhinnam pasyet sa khalu hari-nama ahita-karah”

    To treat the names and gunas of Supreme Lord Hari equal to the names of other devatas, like Lord Siva (Sivasya Sri Visnorya) - This is second namapradha.

    3) “guror avajna”

    To disobey the orders of the spiritual master or to consider him an ordinary person.

    4) “sruti-sastra-nindanam”

    To blaspheme the Vedic literatures and literatures in pursuance of the Vedic version (puranas etc) as unauthentic.

    5) “artha-vadah”

    To think that the holy name is no doubt glorious, but the puranas actually exaggarate it, meaning it is not so glorious as to wipe off all the sins committed by a person in all lifetimes just by chanting a single name.

    6) “hari-namni kalpanam”

    To consider the glories of the holy name of the Lord as imagination.

    7) “namno balad yasya hi papa-buddhir
    na vidyate tasya yamair hi suddhih”

    (While chanting of the holy name of the Lord can counteract all the past sinful reactions but it is greatest offense to commit sinful activities on the strength of chanting the holy name of the Lord.) To think that the Hare Krsna mantra can counteract all sinful reactions and one may therefore go on with his sinful activities and at the same time chant the Hare Krsna mantra to neutralize them is the greatest offense at the lotus feet of Hari-nama.

    8) “dharma-vrata-tyaga-hutadi-sarva-
    subha-kriya-samyam api pramadah”

    To consider the chanting of the Hare Krisna maha-mantra to be one of the auspicious ritualistic mantras mentioned in the Vedas as fruitive activity.

    9) “asraddadhane vimukhe ’py asrnvati
    yas copadesah siva-namaparadhah”

    It is an offense to preach the glories of the holy name of the Lord to the faithless.

    10) “srute ’pi nama-mahatmye yah priti-rahito narah
    aham-mamadi-paramo namni so ’py aparadha-krt”

    If one has heard the glories of the transcendental holy name of the Lord but nevertheless continues in a materialistic concept of life, thinking “I am this body and everything belonging to this body is mine [aham mameti],” and does not show respect and love for the chanting of the Hare Krsna maha-mantra, that is an offense.

    Radhe !
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    Re: THE 10 OFFENSES

    Question: But Krsna is so merciful. Why will he punish somebody if one unknowingly commits offenses towards his name?

    Answer: Krsna's name will consider offenses and one has to also undergo the reaction of such offenses:

    krsna-nama’ kare aparadhera vicara
    krsna balile aparadhira na haya vikara
    (CC Adi 8.24)

    “If someone will chant krsna-nama but at the same time commit the ten offenses, he will not experience melting of the heart and tears flowing from his eyes.” However:

    gaura-nityanande nahi esaba vicara
    nama laite prema dena, vahe asrudhara
    (CC Adi 8.31)

    Gaura-nityananda-nama does not consider any offense. If someone chants their names, his heart will melt and tears will flow from his eyes. Thus, gaura-nama is more merciful than krsna-nama.



    Therefore, we always chant first the panca-tattva mahamantra before chanting the hare krsna mahamantra, so that if unknowingly any offenses are committted during chanting, they are counteracted or nullified by our chanting of Nityananda and Gauranga names.
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    Re: THE 10 OFFENSES

    To treat the names and gunas of Supreme Lord Hari equal to the names of other devatas, like Lord Siva (Sivasya Sri Visnorya) - This is second namapradha.
    This is an ecumenical Hindu forum, so you should refrain from posting things like this that may offend others. I do not consider this to be an offence because I believe that all the different Gods are just different forms of the One Supreme Being.

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    Re: THE 10 OFFENSES

    Quote Originally Posted by ScottMalaysia View Post
    This is an ecumenical Hindu forum, so you should refrain from posting things like this that may offend others. I do not consider this to be an offence because I believe that all the different Gods are just different forms of the One Supreme Being.
    In ISKCON forum, we do not have to be politically correct and hide or subtract what this philosophy says about it. Why it is an offense? It will be an offense if you want to subtract and pose like you are being true to your faith.

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    Re: THE 10 OFFENSES

    namaste Scott,

    Since this is the ISKCON section of HDF, I don't see why they should refrain from posting as long as the forum rules are being followed.

    Quote Originally Posted by ScottMalaysia View Post
    This is an ecumenical Hindu forum, so you should refrain from posting things like this that may offend others. I do not consider this to be an offence because I believe that all the different Gods are just different forms of the One Supreme Being.
    satay

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    Re: THE 10 OFFENSES

    Quote Originally Posted by ScottMalaysia View Post
    This is an ecumenical Hindu forum, so you should refrain from posting things like this that may offend others. I do not consider this to be an offence because I believe that all the different Gods are just different forms of the One Supreme Being.
    Our motive is not to "please" others. We are not obliged to present something in a twisted manner, just because majority of people would enjoy it to hear/read; or hide something that has been propagated by Srila Vyasadev himself, just because majority of people have problems accepting it.

    Accuse NOT me, but Srila Vyasadev, who has composed Padma Purana, who is none other than the empowered incarnation of Supreme.

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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ScottMalaysia
    This is an ecumenical Hindu forum, so you should refrain from posting things like this that may offend others . . .

    READ THE BANNER ABOVE:
    Hare Krishna (ISKCON) Forum for discussion of Krishna Consciousness: Hare Krishna!
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    Re: THE 10 OFFENSES

    Pranam

    Quote Originally Posted by Krsna Das View Post
    Our motive is not to "please" others. We are not obliged to present something in a twisted manner, just because majority of people would enjoy it to hear/read; or hide something that has been propagated by Srila Vyasadev himself, just because majority of people have problems accepting it.

    Accuse NOT me, but Srila Vyasadev, who has composed Padma Purana, who is none other than the empowered incarnation of Supreme.
    Who said majority have problem accepting it?

    I like this word twist chuby chuker did it his way, so lets all twist, sorry if I am intruding. As I say we all twist in our own way. but seriously,


    When something is presented in certain manner than you might find people rejecting it or not to like it.

    Sri Vyasdev wrote major 18 major puranas, he extols 3 different personalities as supreme. He also wrote Mahabharata where Lord Shiva is presented as supreme, what to speak of Vedas which says ekaṃ sad viprā bahudhā vadantyaghniṃ

    One can be forgiven reading those scripture to conclude they must be the same all being in different roles. If that is an offence God must be one very cruel guy

    As presented the offence no 2 is nothing more then scare tactic, the padma puran itself would fall foul of the offence, if it were true, as presented by some. All you need to read is the Shiv Gita.

    But thankfully the translation I read is like this as already quoted by Ranjeet ji

    sivasya sri-visnor ya iha guna-namadi-sakalam
    dhiya bhinnam pasyet sa khalu hari-namahita-karah
    One who sees the difference between the names and qualities of Lord Shiva and names and qualities of Lord Vishnu is an antagonist of hari-nama"
    Which would be broadly in line with what said in Bhagvat puran and I quote.
     
    S.B 8.7.23 O lord, you are self-effulgent and supreme. You create this material world by your personal energy, and you assume the names Brahmā, Viṣṇu and Maheśvara when you act in creation, maintenance and annihilation.

    4.7/50-54 The lord said: The supreme cause of the universe, I am also Brahma (the creator) and Lord Shiva (the destroyer of the universe). I am the self, the lord and the witness, self effulgent and unqualified. Embracing my own Maya, consisting of the three gunas, it is I who create, protect and destroy the universe have assumed names appropriate to my functions, O Brahmana! It is in such a Brahman, the supreme sprit, who is one without a second, that the ignorant fool views Brahma, Rudra and other beings as distinct entities. Just as a man never conceives his own head, hands and other limbs as belonging to anyone else, even so he who is devoted to me does not regard his fellow creatures as distant from himself.
    He who sees no difference between Us three (Brahma, Rudra and Myself)-who are identical in essence and the very selves of all living beings-attains peace, O Daksa.

    So please tell us who is correct Vyasdev in various other scriptures or your version of Padma purana offence no 2?
     
    Jai Shree Krishna
    Rig Veda list only 33 devas, they are all propitiated, worthy off our worship, all other names of gods are derivative from this 33 originals,
    Bhagvat Gita; Shree Krishna says Chapter 3.11 devan bhavayatanena te deva bhavayantu vah parasparam bhavayantah sreyah param avapsyatha Chapter 17.4 yajante sattvika devan yaksa-raksamsi rajasah pretan bhuta-ganams canye yajante tamasa janah
    The world disappears in him. He is the peaceful, the good, the one without a second.

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    Re: THE 10 OFFENSES

    There are innumerable incarnations of Lord. One of them is Guna-avtaras, in which Lord expands his vaibhav in the form of three aspects - brahma , vishnu and siva.

    The gunavtaras are mentioned in the verses quoted above, depicting them as the expansions of the Supreme Lord. Since they are HIS expansions they are not different from him. But they are not HIm as well. This is explained clearly giving example of curd and milk.

    BUT, Brahma (Catur-Mukh Brahma and not Hiranya-Garbha-Prajapati) and Siva (Rudra-Siva) accept mayik-vikar, for example Siva accepts vikar composing of tamo-guna of maya-sakti, swalpata-guna of tatastha-sakti, and Cit-Guna-cum-Samvit-guna of Swarup-sakti, due to which they are in contact with Bahiranga-Sakti, and so they are known as vibhinnansa-tattva (Though this may not be always the case), but being so, they are still "sada-swarUp-sampraptaH", although they are punya-mayi-AdhikArik-devtas and therefore also termed as Saktyavesa-avtaras in this case (IF they happen to be a Jiva-gata-tattva)

    But Lord Visnu (who is again the Guna-avtar) accepts visudhha-satva and not asudhha-satva of Maya-sakti, so he is always aloof from jada-sakti (see purush sukta - dasangulam verse.....and also Brahma-samhita) and so he is always accepted as a swansa-gata-tattva, but still not the swayam-rupa.

    Who is swayam-rupa? Who is the origination of Guna-avtaras?

    All the answers are here, in this post. Keep on thinking.
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    Dear Ganesh ji,

    You said....

    Sri Vyasdev wrote major 18 major puranas, he extols 3 different personalities as supreme. He also wrote Mahabharata where Lord Shiva is presented as supreme, what to speak of Vedas which says ekaṃ sad viprā bahudhā vadantyaghniṃ

    Shri Vyasa extols only One as Supreme and thats it. Who the other two are? and if we have any reasoning power then we will be in a position to ridicule Shri Vyasa Himself for calling three as Supreme though Supreme can be only one.

    In MahaBaratha it is Lord Vishnu who is exalted and presented as Supreme and not Lord Shiva unless you have read it completely. I can give you full translation of MB from different schools of vaishnavaism. Even the great Shri Sankara adores Vishnu as the ultimate deity as he wrote his first bhasya on Shri Vishnu sahasranama where the pretexts and conversation between Yudishtra and Bhisma explains the glory of this namas. ( Though Shri Shankara adopts the Advaitic interpretations, he does not deny the deity of Shri Vishnu as highest and also prays to him to Protect/save him with a strong saying that Shri Vishnu alone can save him)

    Now you may ask, why then Lord Shiva is said as Supreme in certain scriptures. I have just my personal opinion in this though there are numerous bhasyas written by vedantic scholars like Shri Madhva, Sri Ramanuja etc. who established the Supremacy of Shri Vishnu and also proved that Shri Vishnu is the one and only deity praised and sung in all the vedic scripts. ( It is just that they are not easily available to the general public as they require a lot more personal qualification to understand than mere sentiments and interest. you can still get some excerpts by googling or extracting from various forums)

    will you guys ever recognize the reality of people of different types? Do you realize that the most popular representations of SD does acknowledge the gradation among souls, be it Vaishnavaism or Shaivaism? If you happen to believe that there is no such natural difference among people and if you have to nullify all as One will be forced to resort your faith as Advaita. Advaita also admits all of the Theistic philosophies as truths but explain them as relative reality which are still cannot be neglected for one who wants to step in the Absolute realm of Truth. Ignoring this fact makes your contention weak and i hope you do not skip this as just a worthless justification. The side effects of Advaita where the gradation of souls is nullified does not have very strong basis until you are in the realm of Absoluteness, which is not possible when you are inside the Deha (even JivanMukta experiences the world but he knows it is not real). So, we cannot discuss much about the Absolute Realm and no school of Indian thought allows talking too much about How or Who that "Absolute" reality as that "Absolute" reality is not subjected to any words, minds etc.

    So, Shaivaism lays the path to that Absolute reality by exalting Lord Shiva as the Supreme and the member of ThiruMoorthy as not Lord Shiva but as Lord Rudra who is again expansion of the first Being called Lord SadaShiva. So which Shiva we are talking about when we say Lord Shiva is supreme? Here, advaita cannot step in and define any God's superiority or inferiority and we can dismiss any side stepping by sticking the Advaita view of Relative reality. So, the only challenge is about proving Shaivaites position and not Advaitic position and this is already done with out any doubt for so many times by so many Vaishnavas for ages even though Shaivaism was so popular among Kings class. Does it make everyone Vaishnava? Nope. Because, Vaishnava philosophies do hold the three types of souls as reality and only Saatwic souls do follow the saatwic path of Shri Vishnu as Supreme and the Tamasmic souls (though not derogatory but a reality) do subscribe to the path of Lord Shiva as they are the Lords of the respective Guna. Rajasic struggle in between these two and will never get to know or elevate themselves anywhere and continue as ever transmigrating.

    Shiavaism also do have this gradation system but in a different way. Vijnanar, Pralayakalathar and Sakalar with respect to their being subjected to the three impurities and then further classifications of the three in to four, three and three respectively based on their elevation in the spiritual progress.

    So your reflection or responses on offenses are not valid when it comes to the path for a Vaishnava to follow or also a path for a Shaivatie to follow ( ThiruManthiram in Second Tantra details the offenses too). So, if your responses have any basis in the line of great saints of these Samya then it gets some merit to look in to. So when we take a position of an Acharya or as seer of Truth, then only we can fall in to the trap of "All are one" and give different treatment to different vedic verses and introduce gradation of Truth itself which by all means negate the spirit of Veda itself. Why do we self sanction ourselves to such a high level?

    I want to share one of the nice thing i read about this killing the meaning of the vedic verse. Shri VadiRaja wrote about this. When two cows fight, only a beaf eater will kill one and solve the issue. But a satwic will divert the attention of one of the cows by giving grass etc. and keep the harmony between the cows. Like that, in Vedic scripts when two sutra oppose each other, only a insincere will kill the meaning of one or ignore the meaning of one verse or teach a lower status to a sutra to diminish the truth it holds. But the sincere will look in to the opposing sutra and take the sutra which cannot be interpreted by any other means as the Truth and then go on and interpret the other sutra which can be interpreted in more than one way in line with the one that is interpreted already. If you follow this rule strictly, then you don't have to teach two degrees of Truth to shuruti Vaks, no need to identify few Vaks as Maha Vaks and rest as ordinary etc., no need to equate all as One and same etc., no need to skip urgent meaning and stick with secondary meanings, no need to fix a pretext before attempting to interpret the shruti etc.

    But who are interested to know all this? We want something fast, quick and will not even change anything of what we are today but dictate that the Truth should be revealed with out fail to us whether we are doing anything about knowing it or not! How many of us go to Yoga centers or have some Yogi as our Guru and experienced anything beyond Mind? Are we honest to give an answer here? We simply ignore Vedic texts and assume that they are not necessary for spiritual progress. We are happily settled with few articles on internet. Truth is Click away and God is just a call away!
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