Lets Meditate The Right Way

[Necromancer]

Dear Nacromancer,
So this was my original question...

Why does it return to thoughts / desires ?

What is your approach ? Do you first "FIX" the reason why its going to thoughts/desires
or do you practice dharana ?

Please understand the difference.

Its like a room ... i come home one day to see my room is full of rain water. I use a nice broom to clean the room.
next day, i return and again the room is full of water.
i clean it again.
what do i need to fix first?
What is the most important fix for me ?
yes its important to clean the room ...
but ...
first step : identify the leaks ... fix them .
fix the leaks
and then once you clean the room, it remains clean.

Please ponder.

Love!
Silence

Namaste.

In keeping with the 'short answers'.

Reward is proportional to investment. I don't meditate as much as I really should or need to to actually keep myself in that state permanently and the simple demands of living and existing in this world brings my mind 'back down to earth' where thoughts and desires exist. I haven't sought to 'fix' this.

If I did really wanted to 'fix it', I would stop loving Lord Shiva and become one with Lord Shiva...let's just put it that way.

Aum Namah Shivaya

[silence_speaks]

Namaste.

In keeping with the 'short answers'.

Reward is proportional to investment. I don't meditate as much as I really should or need to to actually keep myself in that state permanently and the simple demands of living and existing in this world brings my mind 'back down to earth' where thoughts and desires exist. I haven't sought to 'fix' this.

If I did really wanted to 'fix it', I would stop loving Lord Shiva and become one with Lord Shiva...let's just put it that way.

Aum Namah Shivaya

Forget about meditating much or less.
You meditate once. for 30 mins now ... lets say.

Question is this.
Now you meditated. Mind is Still ... why does it get into thoughts and desires again ? Why does it become agitated again ?

[The room is cleaned. how is it getting filled with rain water again ?]

Becoming one with Siva, etc we will discuss later.

Love!
Silence

[Necromancer]

Namaste.

I am going to ask you a question this time.

How do you propose one should fix the leaks in the roof before they sweep the floor then?

Aum Namah Shivaya

[Necromancer]

Namaste.

I omitted to answer your question before I proposed mine.

Question is this.
Now you meditated. Mind is Still ... why does it get into thoughts and desires again ? Why does it become agitated again ?

Because 'I' let it.

[silence_speaks]

Namaste.

I am going to ask you a question this time.

How do you propose one should fix the leaks in the roof before they sweep the floor then?

Aum Namah Shivaya

Dear Necromancer,
Nice question ... but I am not talking about fixing the leaks "before" sweeping the floor. All I am saying is these are two different activities.
Sweeping the floor would not fix the leaks!

so long before I can really convey to you in a way that we can see it together, lets continue this discussion.

Lets identify the leaks! Please tell me why does the mind regain its "agitation"... after your meditating and making it still ?
where is it regaining this agitation from ?

Love!
Silence

[silence_speaks]

Namaste.

I omitted to answer your question before I proposed mine.



Because 'I' let it.

Thanks ...
Very nice! you are superb

So a question again: Why do u let it in ?

[Necromancer]

Thanks ...
Very nice! you are superb

So a question again: Why do u let it in ?

Namaste and thank you.

Because I haven't learned how to reconcile the different states of awareness/existence yet and I have worldly duties to perform that demand I act/behave like 'everybody else'.

I am feeling in my heart that this is all a case for 'attachment'.

Thoughts and desires come and go. I don't think there's really any way of stopping them totally or permanently...one just has to learn not to become attached to them and to 'master' thoughts and desires, rather than letting them 'master' you.

You are getting in and pressing the right buttons, so it's all good and I am learning.

Aum Namah Shivaya

[silence_speaks]

Namaste and thank you.

Because I haven't learned how to reconcile the different states of awareness/existence yet and I have worldly duties to perform that demand I act/behave like 'everybody else'.

I am feeling in my heart that this is all a case for 'attachment'.

Thoughts and desires come and go. I don't think there's really any way of stopping them totally or permanently...one just has to learn not to become attached to them and to 'master' thoughts and desires, rather than letting them 'master' you.

You are getting in and pressing the right buttons, so it's all good and I am learning.

Aum Namah Shivaya

Dear Necromancer,
Please feel free to reply at your convenience. There is really no hurry.
You are really thinking very well.

Please ponder over "Why do I have attachments" next
you can reply when you find time and ill reply when i find time... no urgency in any of this.


Love!
Silence

[silence_speaks]

and yes, thanks a lot for participating in the discussion.

[Necromancer]

Dear Necromancer,
Please feel free to reply at your convenience. There is really no hurry.
You are really thinking very well.

Please ponder over "Why do I have attachments" next
you can reply when you find time and ill reply when i find time... no urgency in any of this.


Love!
Silence

Namaste.

I don't know if you would actually call them attachments - I guess you could.

In really simple, basic terms - sitting in a cave and meditating all day isn't going to pay the electricity bills nor put food on the table for my family.

Yes, I worry about money (or the lack of it), but I am not greedy or attached to it at all.

I guess it's more a case of thoughts relating to my Dharma more than anything else.

I am not a realised soul by any means...but even saints and sages have to 'come down into their Throat Chakra' occasionally to have dealings in the world.

Aum Namah Shivaya