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    Re: Meditation Dificulties

    Namaste,

    What I am trying to say is that Sri Ramana Maharshi's instructions are to be studied in a say that they compliment shastra-s, and not other way around.

    Also we should compare what he did in sadhaka avasthA than what he did in siddha avasthA.

    Even Yog Vasistha happened when Valmiki and Vishwamitra were convinced that disciple Rama was fit for Brahma-vidya, as he was experiencing dispassion. They requested Vasistha to impart brahma-vidya to deserving Rama. Why not Laxman or other 3 brothers, where they not good natured?

    Even Sri Ramana prayed to God in local temple to give him bhakta like that of Sri Ramakrishna. Sri Ramana was also deeply impressed with life of 63 nayanaara saints.

    Sri Ramana in Ramana Gita also says who is qualified for Self Enquiry.

    Chapter 7:

    Ones who have purified their mind through sadhana (meditation) or by Sattvik Karma in past lives can practice advaita Vedanta. He further says that one who does not give much importance to his body and senses and has no interest in the worldly affairs instead of being surrounded by worldly issues are considered as eligible for Self Enquiry.

    Svetasvatara Upanishad also says that same thing (6.23) -

    यस्य देवे परा भक्तिः यथा देवे तथा गुरौ ।
    तस्यैते कथिता ह्यर्थाः प्रकाशन्ते महात्मनः ॥
    प्रकाशन्ते महात्मन इति ।6:23।

    These truths, when taught, shine forth only in that high-souled one / pure mind who has Supreme Devotion to God, and an equal degree of devotion the Spiritual Master. They shine forth in that High-Souled one only.

    Bhagavan in Gita says

    मनुष्याणां सहस्रेषु कश्चिद्यतति सिध्दये।
    यततामपि सिध्दानां कश्चिन्मां वेत्ति तत्त्वतः।।7.3।।

    manuṣyāṇāṅ sahasrēṣu kaścidyatati sidhdayē.
    yatatāmapi sidhdānāṅ kaścinmāṅ vētti tattvataḥ..7.3..

    7.3 Among thousands of men, one perchance strives for perfection; even among those successful strivers, only one perchance knows Me in essence (tatva).

    संन्यासस्तु महाबाहो दुःखमाप्तुमयोगतः।
    योगयुक्तो मुनिर्ब्रह्म नचिरेणाधिगच्छति।।5.6।।

    saṅnyāsastu mahābāhō duḥkhamāptumayōgataḥ.
    yōgayuktō munirbrahma nacirēṇādhigacchati..5.6..

    5.6 But, O mighty-armed one, renunciation is hard to attain without (Karma-) yoga. The meditative man equipped with yoga attains Brahman without delay.

    What I am trying to say is that those visions, bhAva (spiritual emotions) are not to be ignored. They help seeker move closer to truth / God. Again, we cannot say something like even though this is not last stage and all forms of god are illusionary and quote some verses from Ramana's 40 verses of reality otr Ashtavakra Gita, then say to him, you still practise chanting his name. What impact will it have on seeker's mind? though we tell truth from Advaita POV, still it is not proper, as it fails to lift person. the purpose is defeated. Also note that sAkAra bhakti is also a path established by avatars. In this path, singing bhajan-s, bhAva, estasy, bhAva samadhi, etc are given importance. when proper time comes, according to Prakruti, one can be shifted to jnana marg or can continue to be on path of bhakti.

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    Only God Is Truth, Everything Else Is Illusion - Ramakrishna
    Total Surrender of Ego to SELF is Real Bhakti - Ramana Maharshi

    Silence is the study of the scruptures. Meditation is the continuous thinking of Brahman which is to be meditated upon. The complete negation of both by knowledge is the vision of truth – sadAcAra-14 of Adi SankarAcArya

    namah SivAya vishnurUpAya viShNave SivarUpiNe, MBh, vanaparva, 3.39.76

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    Re: Meditation Dificulties

    Namaste,

    Even Ashtavakra Gita at one place says that for uttam adhikari, if he understand properly, he can quickly abide in Self, while a manda adhikari if tries to grasp this teaching, then his life will be miserable.

    Once a lecture of Ashtavakra gita was given. After completing A.G., some stopping doing puja, some approached a swami and asked for sanyas. Mind still attached with body.

    An Avadhoot or a paramhansa ignores his body completely. Sri Ramana did not went door to door begging for food. God made arrangement to protect his body (via Sheshadri swami and Palani swami) and also send food through any devotee.

    Either you surrender your body to god, or you say that i have not right over it and ignore it, in either case, the attachment with body is destroyed gradually. Body is directly or indirectly surrendered to God.

    In later case, one leaves body at the hands of prarabhdha. Before completion of prarabhdha, it is responsibility of God to see that body does not drop. This is what I meant when I said, 'What are you going to do with body, as it is illusion'

    Until mind is attached with body, one cannot strictly follow brahma satya jagad mithya. environment have impact on body and hence on mind.

    Truth has to be given in a way that it can be digested.

    I did not see that OP has dispassion (judging from his posts), nor does he have burning desire for liberation. It is just a beginning for him, hence the encouragement.

    Aum
    Only God Is Truth, Everything Else Is Illusion - Ramakrishna
    Total Surrender of Ego to SELF is Real Bhakti - Ramana Maharshi

    Silence is the study of the scruptures. Meditation is the continuous thinking of Brahman which is to be meditated upon. The complete negation of both by knowledge is the vision of truth – sadAcAra-14 of Adi SankarAcArya

    namah SivAya vishnurUpAya viShNave SivarUpiNe, MBh, vanaparva, 3.39.76

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    Re: Meditation Dificulties

    Dear Indiaspirituality Amrut ,


    We have exotic ideas about "Avadhoot"s etc. Please tell me why you have to ignore the body ? Why not take care of it ? If you have a car and the car is not you, you know it. Does not mean you ignore the car! At the same time you are clear that its not you. And in fact anyone who ignores the car need not be a person who knows he is not the car. People ignore and even abuse their bodies. Its unfortunate! But then ...body need not be ignored ... Jnani's need not do it. Infact what a jnani should do, cannot be decided. A Jnani is one who has jnana. There is some verses that goes like ...
    sukha tyagi ... sukha was a renunciate.
    Krishna Bhogi ... Krishna was involved in all sorts of activities [though he was ever unattached for sure].
    nrupa janaka , raghavau ... Rama and janaka were kings

    So a life style does not make one jnani... a jnani can chose his lifestyle.

    Secondly, Please, lets not judge others and their maturity.The knowledge takes care of it. If one is not prepared, knowledge itself wont reach.

    valmiki clearly mentions in Yoga Vasishta that anyone who does not think he is extremely realized and feels a need to free himself is eligible for this knowledge. This is clearly stated. So lets not drag these prerequisites too much.

    Sat Sangha is a mental purifier brother. So as such these discussions can also purify the person ... provided one inquires or remains open.



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    Re: Meditation Dificulties

    Lets continue this discussion on my other thread here:
    http://www.hindudharmaforums.com/showthread.php?t=11906

    if you dont mind.
    Come up, O Lions, and shake off the delusion that you are a sheep

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