Dear RR Ji,
This is santAna dharma, I have no doubt about the interrelated nature of everything. As such, I find your pareidolia analogy to be rather off the mark; We are not talking about the same thing at all.
RR: Mana ji, many of us believe in the *inter-relatedness* and while pareidolia may seem like curious pastime to you, for those who read omens etc (shamanistic pursuits) the shapes etc can give meaningful information! It is this obsessive angst of certain individuals to think that they can reduce everything to this or that or another fancy math without having the intellectual wherewithal of being able to explain it (without throwing a tantrum or fit!) is where the problem lies! ;-) Pareidolia is simply the phenomenon of seeing FAMILIAR shapes in UNfamiliar or UNusual places, like clouds or flames etc.
I don't mean random patterns; that is an often misconstrued notion of fractal mathematics, and a rather Cartesian view.
I mean these patterns emerging from the inherent limits of a system ... do you not see this?
RR: If you can demonstrate this, then perhaps your claim might hold water, but you have not managed to fully bake the dough that you had meant to be a delectable cookie/biscuit (let alone sustenance!)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yaqUI4b974
Akash contains the system; Sun heats water, water rises (agni does this) clouds form in the air (vayu), rain falls (jala), on to the earth (prithvi) with out which there is no river.
RR: Yes, but this is the case only in a local 'system' and not the case generally - in what one thinks of as universe! Unless you wish to go pre-copernican or follow the dictates of the era of ignorant religion/religious heads?
Can you not see the striking cyclic pattern forming in the clouds? Rather mundane perhaps, but alas it also makes the sky blue.
RR: See this last statement is where your thinking pattern gets limited! It does not *make* the sky blue, but only makes it seem that way (blue) and while perception translates into immediate reality, we are dealing with something infinitely larger where you have worked yourself into (and floundering!)
Don't let go of the spiritual sadhana; for pure relevant nimita, one can not see without this. Patterns are not found in the physical clouds them selves, that is an overly objective view, but in the somewhat more subjective timing of events and their relevance to thoughts and feelings at that time ...
RR: The flaw in your thinking is that the objective or perhaps underlying principle is not the Universe moving clouds into a shape for the benefit of a scryer or omenologist, but the omenologist deriving meaningful information from within (innersource) through observing the shapes. Thinking otherwise would be mighty egocentric, would it not? The universe moving the flames so that the shaman can see...? <LOL>
90% ineffectual I will agree fully; but that 10% ...
RR: Where was this survey or demographic experiment done, Mana ji? How did you come out with that estimate (or guesstimate or pure wild guess, perhaps?). Were the other numbers and math coming from the same source, as well?
Rather than a percentage of the whole, which might be rather misleading; as previously stated and for the very same reason of iteration, such that I shall iterate no further:
I prefer to use the ratio: 108:120; before the Cartesian sum of that is 10%.
I have no more to offer on this subject.
RR: Now you are being a tad more forthcoming. You can prefer to use whatever, but it remains but a curious observation or an amusing line of thinking, but hardly a fact or even truth as it might apply to reality that your hypothesis might be alluding to or trying to...!
Warm regards,
Over and out ...
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