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    WHY? Sun and Moon...??

    This may be too simple for many of the experienced members, so please hold back your comments and let those that are younger and fresher to Jyotish share first, maybe until June 6, 2014? Then the experienced brigade can charge in and enlighten everyone! Somewhat experienced folks = (somewhat arbitrarily > 3 years of regularly practising jyotish and reading charts etc. for free or paid; and please let us not try to distract the thread by beginning to waste time in criticising this arbitrarily selected definition of experienced?)

    What could be the technical reasons (not philosophical, nor mythological etc!) for separating the lights: Sun and Moon from the remaining five planets in solar system (please ignore rahu and ketu for this one!)

    Why does Sun represent the father and Moon the mother? Please remember to stay technical!

    Thank you in advance for your cooperation and participation,

    Rohiniranjan

    (For beginners and those with 3 or less years of practicing experience in jyotish have the thread all to themselves until 6th of June, 2014, and beyond too, of course like all others. Please don't be shy :-))
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    Re: WHY? Sun and Moon...??

    Tomorrow is June the 6th, the day when D-Day is celebrated each year (The anniversary of the Battle of Normandy, 11 months after which Germany (Hitler's) surrendered and WWII whittled down to a murmer and then stopped and a New Era began of which most later-day Baby Boomers like me were beneficiaries of!) (No connection with the quiz but just a historical correlate!! And remember what teachers in Statistics-101 stated in their sermons! Correlation and causation must not be confused to be one!

    I am thankful to all experienced folks who might be twitching in their seats to answer but held back at my request! Tomorrow I shall answer the riddle posed in the first message of this thread as to why Sun should be designated as Father and Moon as Mother (or King and Queen, if you are into the Royalty Framework!) and associated matters raised therein. I did not receive any responses from the less experienced either due to their apathy, or they figured out the answer but refrained from responding due to hesitancy or shyness. Only one beginner has heard the answer from me but probably is not a member here. If a member already, the individual is requested to not respond since that would be cheating and might cost like 20 samosas at the very least!

    Love and Light,

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    Re: WHY? Sun and Moon...??

    Quote Originally Posted by Rohiniranjan View Post
    This may be too simple for many of the experienced members, so please hold back your comments and let those that are younger and fresher to Jyotish share first, maybe until June 6, 2014? Then the experienced brigade can charge in and enlighten everyone! Somewhat experienced folks = (somewhat arbitrarily > 3 years of regularly practising jyotish and reading charts etc. for free or paid; and please let us not try to distract the thread by beginning to waste time in criticising this arbitrarily selected definition of experienced?)

    What could be the technical reasons (not philosophical, nor mythological etc!) for separating the lights: Sun and Moon from the remaining five planets in solar system (please ignore rahu and ketu for this one!)

    Why does Sun represent the father and Moon the mother? Please remember to stay technical!

    Thank you in advance for your cooperation and participation,

    Rohiniranjan

    (For beginners and those with 3 or less years of practicing experience in jyotish have the thread all to themselves until 6th of June, 2014, and beyond too, of course like all others. Please don't be shy :-))
    Let us see, now:


    The 19th shloK of BPHS of chapter III of BPHS tells us about the gender of planets, "O Brahmin, Mercury and Saturn, these two are neuters, the moon and venus are females and the remaining three, Sun, mars and jupiter are males", thus translated by G.C. Sharma.


    But then we know that there are males who are more like females and females that are more like males. I am not talking about trans-genders who have a dreadful life, in general, but the functional gender. Now this itself can lead to heated debates as to what is male and what is female. Modern society has tried unisex, then genderless/gender-free society and all those experiments but probably led to more grief and gender confusion than relief! What I mean is just look at parents. There are fathers who are gentler than mothers, more caring and nurturing, attributes typically seen in females, whereas there are mothers who are more masculine, less emotional, hard hearted and so on. In less extreme examples we find a healthy mix of both gender attributes. Astrology can and does give some hints towards that, but now I am drifting a bit!


    The primary function of planets is that they rule signs. The signs have genders too, simply stated the odd (1,3,5,7 etc) signs are males, the even are females. Now there are differences of opinions (Welcome to Jyotish! HAHA!!) and between the different astrological traditions insofar as attribution of gender is concerned, but here let us stick with our magnum opus.


    Male, female or neuter, the planets rule one male and one female signs. The moolatrikonas have gender specificity (which sign they fall in) but it is not consistent. Venus a female planet has its mool-trikona in a male sign, for instance.


    The lights, sun and moon are very different from the other 5, the tara-grahas as they were called probably because visibly, they appear like the taras or stars, with one slight difference. On a clear night, the planets of concern to jyotishis do not twinkle, whereas all stars do. This is something we were told and remember from Grade V if not earlier! The lights are disks and visible, Even the moments before amavasya, say the trayodashi (13th tithi) or ekadashi, the moon is more visible than planets around sunrise/sunset when sun is not visible.


    The lights have another peculiarity. Despite their obvious importance in jyotish and being labelled as King and Queen, they have been assigned only one sign each, to rule! Sun rules the male sign leo with its Head office (mooltrikona) and exaltation sign in the masculine aries. Moon the Queen and Mother, rules the feminine cancer sign and finds its head office and exaltation in the feminine taurus.


    Father is the male role model a child has generally, unless posthumous and Mother is the female role model in nearly all cases.


    Astrology is firstly about beginnings and next only about how those beginnings then evolve, change and the life-plans of the nativities get executed.


    There may be other views, genuine or voiced just for the sake of *whatever*, but then that is the pattern everywhere in life, isn't there? ;-)


    Love and LIGHTs,


    Rohiniranjan
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    A birth-epoch is a seemingly-random TRANSIT-epoch that gains a personal-meaningfulness and becomes a beacon in the current lifetime of the incarnated soul-fragment; the union of a kona (angle) with a trikona (trine)...?

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