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    Re: A distant dream???

    Dear friends ,
    The very idea that you are helping smacks of self indulgence. What ever one does has to be felt as a seva to personal deity or antharyami. Seva in words is prayer , in thoughts is contemplation in deeds is homa .In such commitment there is no need for other forms of prayers .

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    Re: A distant dream???

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    Quote Originally Posted by saswathy View Post
    Dear friends ,
    Moksham is not a geographical plane nor temporary psychological state . It is getting release from bandhana.It automatically comes when the person is ready for that like it is said in '' .... .......urvaruka miva bandhanath .....'' which is very very rare though not impossible.So how can it be branded as selfishness.It is detachment in mind from the karthruthwam and resultant phalam of the deeds.Whatever has to happen will happen and what is not destined to happen will not happen . It is not defeatism or running away from duties nor dry vedantha.It is a perfect understanding of the limited role of freewill.To pray or not to pray is in no way going to change the outcome .
    It is wise and proper to define your terms ... please do this for your reading audience. Without this, it is mere words on a page - then what good can they do just lying there ?

    • bandhana
    • urvaruka miva bandhanath
    • karthruthwam
    • phalam
    iti śivaṁ
    यतस्त्वं शिवसमोऽसि
    yatastvaṁ śivasamo'si
    because you are identical with śiva

    _

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    Re: A distant dream???

    Quote Originally Posted by saswathy View Post
    Dear friends ,
    The very idea that you are helping smacks of self indulgence. What ever one does has to be felt as a seva to personal deity or antharyami. Seva in words is prayer , in thoughts is contemplation in deeds is homa .In such commitment there is no need for other forms of prayers .
    Good words, however what you are saying are only for those advanced in the path of spirituality. Most beginners to whom the concept of 'seva' remains to be external (that is, 'I' render the service to others) instead of internal (that is, 'i' am rendering this service to the antaryami god), there is no such prayer or homa or contemplation of the divine done. Such aspirants will earn merits for their good deeds but they are not necessarily progressing spiritually. Therefore such aspirants who strongly take 'ownership' of good deeds rendered by them, it is necessary to develop steadfast routines to do seva to god. With the grace of god alone, one can conquer 'I the doership' attitude.
    Last edited by Viraja; 24 August 2014 at 11:36 AM.
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    Re: A distant dream???

    Dear friends ,
    Bandhana is getting imprisoned in one's own web of thoughts of ignorance . Karthruthwam is the idea of doing a thing all on his own or her own merit . Phalam is the result . These meanings are loosely translated .Any other translation of better meanings is highly appreciated . Shiva maha manthra clearly states that when the fruit is ripe enough , it drops out of the stem automatically .That translation also can be very clearly and precisely done by stalwarts here in the forum .I do accept my inability and incapacity in this regard .

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    Dear friends,
    Yes . What virajaji says is correct as far as the seva aspect is concerned . For a common man to help others in need , is of innate good nature. But it is a condition , the primary requisite in spirituality . For a serious sadhaka it is the first and foremost important perquisite .

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    Re: A distant dream???

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    Quote Originally Posted by yajvan View Post
    • bandhana
    • urvaruka miva bandhanath
    • karthruthwam
    • phalam
    iti śivaṁ
    I thought to add this to offer a perspective on these words above as it may assist the reader in some way.
    • bandhana = binding, tying, holding; if we look to bandha it is bound, tied, captured, arrested
    · urvaruka miva bandhanath is applied in the mṛtyuñjayāya mantra¹ as it says:
    urvārukam iva bandhanān mṛtyor mukṣīya māmṛtāt – this says (blue potion only) : ( written without break or pause as urvārukamivabandhanān )
    urvārukamiva = urvāru + kam + iva
    • urvāru is defined as cucumber and can be written like this urvāruka or urvārukam; yet if defined this way we just get cucumber and we miss the important word kam and its 2nd derivative.
    • kam - is desire, to wish or long for. It points to the notion of attachment. Just as there is the attachment of the cucumber to its stem (to hold onto).
    • iva - is like or ~ just as~
    Hence like or as (iva) the cucumber (urvāru) is bound/desires(kam), holds on bandhanān
    • bandhana (as mentioned before) - is holding fast ; it is also defined as a stem or stalk ; Hence we have the stem of the urvāru , holding fast i.e. attached and is the symbol ( and also defined as) mundane bondage. The bondage of the Self bound to the body and this plane of existence.
    What is interesting to note bandhana also has the definition of catching , capturing , confining , detention , custody , imprisonment or a prison; The body has seemingly 'imprisoned' the Self.

    Hence urvārukamiva-bandhanān tells us, just like (iva) the cucumber (urvāru) holding fast(bandhana) we are bound, we too have our Selves in the custody of mundane bondage, and it is this kam (desire) that brings the notion of attachment.

    · phalam is phala = fruit. It suggests consequence , effect , result i.e. the fruit of one’s actions
    • karthruthwam
      • karta – distinction; it is rooted in kt and is defined as making, doing.
      • ruta – divided, shattered
    This infers individual ( divided/ruta) actions (kt or doings)

    iti śivaṁ

    1. More on mṛtyuñjayāya here:
    http://www.hindudharmaforums.com/showthread.php?t=5099
    Last edited by yajvan; 24 August 2014 at 07:15 PM.
    यतस्त्वं शिवसमोऽसि
    yatastvaṁ śivasamo'si
    because you are identical with śiva

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    Re: A distant dream???

    Few words and their meanings in the same context...

    Dhana - Help for the needy - Not a service but mostly misunderstood as :Service:
    Seva - The selfless act of doing "service" to those deserved!

    Only for SriVaishnvas
    KaimKaryam - Doing the "Service" purely for the enjoyment of the recipient - Only Bagavan, Bhagavathan and Piratti can be the recipients ( not ranked or ordered list)

    So, for a SaranaGathan, KaimKaryam is the requirement and not to be confused with Dhana and Seva!

    Hare Krshna!

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    Re: A distant dream???

    Dear friends,
    The entire orientation of human beings is towards money . The effort put by them , the love shown for that , the satisfaction they get from that is unique . It is thapas in other words .Only when the realisation dawns on a person , he or she turns to the noble idea of giving . So giving money is also a seva in different form, because money buys everything.

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    Re: A distant dream???

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    Quote Originally Posted by saswathy View Post
    Dear friends,
    The entire orientation of human beings is towards money .

    Perhaps you were thinking ' The entire orientation of human beings (that I know or engaged with) is towards money ' ?

    And what is this thapas you mention ? Are you calling out tapas¹ ?
    If so, great , if not, please inform the reader of your definition.
    It is our custom and guidelines to define these items (even in a short parenthetical word or two). This approach is called out here :
    http://www.hindudharmaforums.com/forumdisplay.php?f=15

    I ask you again for your cooperation on this matter.

    iti śivaṁ

    1. tapas - is from tapa , meaning 'consuming by heat'; it infers a purification process/approach
    Last edited by yajvan; 24 August 2014 at 11:14 PM.
    यतस्त्वं शिवसमोऽसि
    yatastvaṁ śivasamo'si
    because you are identical with śiva

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    Re: A distant dream???

    Dear friend ,
    It does not mean actual spiritual sadhana . It is the emphasis , the grit and determination with which a person pursues money . It was a pun . I am sorry for not making that point clear .

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