This message is actually a question on another thread posted by Amrut!
http://www.hindudharmaforums.com/sho...2&postcount=21
Very beautiful message and exhaustive information regarding the power of mind and also its weakness! It cannot go quite, disappear from the field of action and it can act either positive or negative! Lets do some higher order thinking and ask our own wisdom and also find if there are any support for these in our shastra
What you are essentially saying is, the organ ( even if it is subtle) mind has to be given up - if that is not the objective, then mind is not going to rest! So, the stand still state is still the state of 'mind' only - and it is also giving an experience that is something momentary! Calling that 'stand still' experience as 'something new' has to have the 'experiencer' active! IOW, there should be something cognizant of the mind whether it has control over the mind or not! It is not possible for a sense to remove itself and every rational person agree to that and you can remove the 'sense' or bring the sense under control by utilizing something even more subtle - mind is the most subtle organ of jiva and thus we know there is something beyond mind - and that something cannot be recognized or experienced by "mind" regardless of its state - "oscillating or stand still'. With drawl action is for this most subtle conscious vastu and we all happily say, its the "Atma"!All sorts of problems starts when mind has nothing left to hold on to. This stillness is frightening as it is a question of existence of mind.
So, now technically it is the very "Atma" which is always in the statehood of Brahman which alone can give away the imagined "mind", then the quest of practicing something in "Advaita" is superfluous! ( I am bringing this point just to make sure the statement like "Advaita" is not for everyone is irrational and false). A more detailed argument below...
1. If every sense has to be purified to gain the control of more subtler ones, ( as in Nvrtti), mind is the last sense organ to be conquered - In the complete sequel, it is the Atma that is the actual doer - Not the sense as they are under the control of Atma regardless of the state, stage of reality etc.
2. The symptom of purification does not give away the sense but only the more subtler gains the control over the next gross ( someone who has pure mind will have pure vak - sweet talk, sama darshana - not that such will become mouth less or speech less or cannot hear and deaf - even the JivanMukta still functions with his senses but all under his total control)
3. The subtle mind once gained control over, there is nothing left - Its not a stage of progress but the Ultimatum itself - In otherwords, its not the practice of Advaita but the End Goal, the achievement of Advaitam. Once achieved, its Nishkriya state and there is nothing more to practice or do and its the state of bliss!
4. Equally, any state, stage before the state of Advaitam, is not and should not be called "Advaita" practice! This is now chicken and egg as in advaitam, there cannot be any 'activity" and before "Advaitam" there is no scope for "Advaita"!
5. The transition stage from "Advaita" to "Advaitam" then will be imaginary with no description or manual as there is no bestower or bestowed! This is the very reason Advaita says, there is nothing happened as in creation for you to overcome that - simply meaning there is no Transition - the counter positive statement is something that is not there as well! ( as in, its just realization, its just awakening, its called Moksha, its Nirvana etc.)
Summing up, at least for a insignificant human who is bound by senses, the last authority of imagined or unreal or between real and unreal will be the Mind which itself "from the Atman perspective", the actual doer, non existent! So, there is some other agent that "acts" or at least give the opinion of "doer" and that "Doer" alone assumes it require a great resolve to follow "Advaita" to reach the "Advaitam" state!
Though the entire message is very nice with actual happening events, it is very weak in describing the "doer"ship behind these and also giving out a wrong opinion or conclusion that, Advaita is not for everyone! At least as per the "Advaita", it cannot be gradual progress and it should be the "Advaitam" in a flash! ( like on/off event..either its on or off - be real or in bandha - Gradual mukthi should not be the basis for advaitam at all)
How do you explain an imagined sense revealing the Advaitam when it cannot!
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