Namaste Nirotu,
Those who say this undermine the purpose of creation and are ignorant of divine laws and their own association with the divinity. Karma is not an inevitable path, but one cannot progress to the level of grace without being a Karma Yogi. First, try to be a good Karma Yogi, and then we will talk about grace. First try to do things in your life without any expectation. Grace can come later. Be a man first, then we will talk about God.Originally Posted by nirotu
Those cults that put grace at the helm without any element of jnana in them are the lowest stage of spirituality. These cults are responsible for all religeous strife in the world, and mere dogmas and superstitions.Originally Posted by nirotu
Those that emphasise good works come next.
Those that encourage good works without expectation of fruits come next.
Those that encourage Bhakti and Jnana come next.
Those that encourage grace, surrender and jnana are the pinnacle.
True Spirituality transcends all these, and is the final abidance in the self, the grace itself. You dont need grace there, but you are the grace itself. Grace is Shiva, your very self. Why do you seek something that you are?
All religions that that put blind faith and grace above others are the worst religions and are responsible for the religeous killings, bigotry, sectarianism and dogmas - Islam and Christianity. There are no people following the path of Jnana who would be a bit sectarian, a bit dogmatic, a bit superstitious.
The mature soul refers to a Jnani, not one who claims that his God is the mightiest or that he has some special recipe for immortality without evidence, or uses some circular logic to prove himself.Originally Posted by nirotu
Jesus is a vedantin who realized first that he is the son of God and then knew he was one with the father. You also do that. As long as you dont do that, it is only a subset.Originally Posted by nirotu
This is talking of the transition from Prakriti to Purusha stage which is impossible without grace, First identify the Prakriti and its subtleties. It is not just your body. First identify the Ravana within you with the help of your Hanuman. Rama will kill him then. Without finding that Ravana, , without the help of Hanuman, no chance of getting crowned at Ayodhya. You follow me?Originally Posted by nirotu
For that you have to know what the kingdom of the heaven is. Mere statements are idle talk.Originally Posted by nirotu
The greatest downfall of many self proclaimed, self realized gurus( Jesus came to my mind) was that they were even unable to save themselves in danger. How will they save others?Originally Posted by nirotu
What is reaching a certainly level of maturity? Have you wondered or simply copy pasted? It refers to the purification of Buddhi. Christianity does not cross the level of mind, so you cant be expected to know further.Originally Posted by nirotu
Oh, Shaiva Siddhanta , I know that. I know Shiva and his grace. No recommendations I need from any saviours.
What did you surrender? Your body? Your pleasures? Your home? But these were never yours to start with.You surrendered them to the rightful owner and deserve no credits. The only true surrender is the surrender of the frewwill, the "I" and "mine". You own nothing else, they all belong to God.Originally Posted by nirotu
Yes, perfect Advaita: I like what you said.Originally Posted by nirotu
"It is the faith and faith alone that leads to salvation and not the works".
Just replace blind faith with true faith which is Jnana and you are an advaitin. Advaita does not beleive in works.
But HInduism has many heavens in the spatio temporal heavens which Jesus did not know about. There is an eternal heaven, the world of Parabrahman. There is something beyond that, which is beyond any notion of distinction.Originally Posted by nirotu
Jesus did not know any of these, as they are not found in the bible.
So Christian heaven is just Yama Loka, where Yama judges peeople either to heaven or hell. THis you cant deny. The eternal heavens are not related to judgement day.
Jesus said it correctly. The kingdom within you is the Atman. Find it. NO point searching in the sky. Jesus(Yama) teachings can be found in Katha Upanishad and we respect him a lot.Originally Posted by nirotu
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