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The name Hindu for the people and the country--not a Hindu name?

The History of India taught in schools and colleges in India are based on the works of anti-Hindu historians Romila Thapar and D.N.Jha. According to these pseudo-historians, only in the 8th century CE the name 'Hindu' was given currency by the Arabs. This statement is not backed by any evidence, however.

Another theory from the Europeans states that the name 'Hindu' is a Persian corruption of 'Sindhu', resulting from the Persian practice of replacing 'S' with 'H'. Again no evidence is shown for this theory.

Dr. Murlidhar H.Pahoja, an independent researcher, exposes the falsity of these two theories with overwhelming evidence in his booklet titled "Antiquity and Origin of the Term 'Hindu'", which can be downloaded at: http://sarasvati95.googlepages.com/antiquityhindu.pdf

Here are the points with which he exposes the falsity of the above claims:

Epigraphic Evidence

• The Hamadan, Persepolis and Naqsh-I-Rustam Inscriptions of the Persian monarch Darius mention a people 'Hidu' as included in his empire. These inscriptions are dated between 520-485 BCE.

• Xerexes, successor of Darius, in his inscriptios at Persepolis, gives names of countries under his rule. The list includes 'Hidu'. Xerexes was ruling between 485-465 BCE.

• The Asokan inscriptions (3rd century BCE), repeatedly use expressions like 'Hida' (हिद) for 'India' and 'Hida loka' for 'Indian nation'. 'Hida' and its derivative forms are used more than 70 times in the Ashokan inscriptions.

• In Persepolis Pahlvi inscriptions of Shahpur II (310 CE) the king has the titles shakanshah hind shakastan u tuxaristan dabiran dabir, "king of Shakastan, minister of ministers of Hind Shakastan and Tukharistan".

Literary Evidence

Literary evidence takes the antiquity of the word 'Hindu' back to at least 1000 BCE and possibly 5000 BCE.

Evidence from Pahlvi Avesta

• In the Avesta, Hapta-Hindu is used for Sanskrit Sapta-Sindhu, the Avesta being dated variously between 5000-1000 B.C. This indicates that the term 'Hindu' is as old as the word 'Sindhu'. Sindhu is a Vedik term used in the Rigveda. And therefore, 'Hindu' is as ancient as the Rigveda.

• In the Avestan Gatha 'Shatir', 163rd Verse speaks of the visit of Veda Vyas to the court of Gustashp and in the presence of Zorashtra, Veda Vyas introduces himself saying 'man marde am Hind jijad'--I am man born in 'Hind'. Veda Vyas was an elder contemporary of Shri Krishna (3100 BCE).

Greek Usage

• The Greek term 'Indoi' is a softened form of 'Hindu' where the initial 'H' was dropped as the Greek alphabet has no aspirate. This term 'Indoi' was used in Greek literature by Hekataeus (late 6th century BCE) and Herodotus (early 5th century BCE).

The Hebrew Bible

• The Hebrew bible uses 'Hodu' for India, which is a Judaic form of 'Hindu'. The Hebrew Bible (Old Testament) is considered earlier than 300 BCE. Today's Hebrew spoken in Israel also uses Hodu for India.

The Chinese Testimony

• The Chinese used the term 'Hien-tu' for 'Hindu' about 100 BCE. While describing movements of the Sai-Wang (100 BCE), the Chinese annals state that the Sai-Wang went towards the South and passing Hien-tu reached Ki-Pin.

Later Chinese travellers Fa-Hien (5th century CE) and Huen-Tsang (7th century CE) use a slightly modified term 'Yintu' but the affinity to 'Hindu' is still retained. This term 'Yintu' continues to be used till today.

Pre-Islamic Arabic Literature

• Sair-ul-Okul1 is an anthology of ancient Arabic poetry available in the Turkish library Makhtab-e-Sultania in Istambul. In this anthology is included a poem by Prophet Mohammed's uncle Omar-bin-e-Hassham. The poem is in praise of Mahadev (Shiva), and uses 'Hind' for India and 'Hindu' for Indians.

• The same anthology has another poem by Labi-bin-e Akhtab bin-e Turfa who is dated 2300 before Mohammed i.e., 1700 BCE. This poem also uses 'Hind' for India and 'Hindu' for Indian. The poem also mentions the four Vedas Sama, Yajur, Rig and Athar. This poem is quoted on columns in the Laxmi Narayan Mandir in New Delhi, popularly known as Birla Mandir (Temple).

'Hindu' in Sanskrit Literature

Another doubt created by the modern day anglicized historian is that the term 'Hindu' is not found used in Sanskrit literature. This misconception can be dispelled by quoting from Sanskrit works:

Meru tantra (4th to 6th century CE), a Shaiva text, comments on 'Hindu':

hInaM cha duShyatyeva hindurityuchyate priye |
"Hindu is one who discards the mean and the ignoble."

• The same idea is expressed in Shabda Kalpadruma:

hInaM duShyati iti hindu |

Brihaspati Agama says:

himAlayaM samArabhya yAvadindu sarovaram |
taM devanirmitaM desha hindusthAnaM prachakShate ||


"Starting from Himalaya up to Indu waters is this God-created country Hindustan."

Parijat Haran Natak describes Hindu as:

hinasti tamasA pApAn daihikAn duShTamAnasAn |
hetibhiH shatruvarga cha sa hindurabhidhIyate ||


"Hindu is one who with penance washes one's sins and evil thoughts and with
arms destroys one's enemies."

Madhava Digvijaya states:

oMkAramUlamantrADhya punarjanmadRuDhAshayaH |
gobhaktako bhAratagururhindurhisanadUShakaH ||


"One who meditates on Omkar as the primeal sound, believes in karma and reincarnation, has reverence for the cow, who is devoted to Bharat, and abhors evil, is deserving of being called Hindu.

Vriddha Smriti defines Hindu as:

hiMsayA dUyate yashcha sadAcharaNatatpara |
vedagopratimAsevI sa hindumukhshabdabhAk ||


"One who abhors the mean and the ignoble, and is of noblebearing, who reveres the Veda, the cow, and the deity, is a Hindu."

• Similarly other Sanskrit works which use the term 'Hindu' are, Kalika Puran, Bhavishya Puran, Adbhut Kosh, Medini Kosh, Ram Kosh etc. Even Kalidas has used a derivative form 'Haindava'.

'Hindu' and 'Sindhu'

• Another theory says that 'Hindu' originated from the Persian practice of replacing 'S' with 'H'. This does not seem to be true is evident from the fact that Sindh has not become Hind and both Sindh and Hind exist in Persian as well as Arabic. The inscriptions of Darius and Xerexes which describe India as Hi(n)du, also use the term 'Sugd' for Sogdiana. This 'Sugd' should have become 'Hugd' as per this theory. The Pahlvi inscription of Shahpur II, uses 'S' in Shakastan and Tuxaristan.

• But it cannot be denied that Hindu is a form of Sindhu. It needs to be realised that this change from S to H is common in Saurashtra where Sorath becomes Horath, Somnath becomes Homnath and so on. The form Hindu is therefore, likely to have come from Saurashtra.

It should also be noted that as per Nirukta rules of grammar, in the Vedik language, replacement of S with H is permitted.

Conclusion

Epigraphic evidence takes the antiquity of 'Hindu' back to atleast 500 B.C. Use of 'Hindu' as part of 'Hapta-Hindu' in the Avesta suggests that 'Hindu' is as old as 'Sindhu' and therefore, belongs to the Vedic age.

Regarding the origin of 'Hindu' from 'Sindhu', the Saurashtran practice of pronouncing 'H' in place of 'S' provides the answer.

Other Sanskrit references

• Some scholars hold that ancient Indian civilisation did have a name of its own, prior to the arrival of Persians. A Sanskrit scholar, Swami Mangal Nathji, had found ancient Hindu writings called Birhannaradi Purana in Hoshiarpur (Punjab)[1] which contained the verse:

Himalayam samarabhya yavat bindusarovaram
Hindusthanamiti qyatan hi antaraksha-rayogatah


"The country between Himalayas and Bindu Sarovar (Cape Commorin Sea) is Hindusthan derived by combining the first letter 'Hi' of Himalayas and the last compound letter 'ndu' of the word Bindu."

Other instances are cited in Vishnu Purana, Padma Purana and the Brihaspati Samhita:

Aaasindo sindhu paryantham yasyabharatha bhoomikah
Mathrubhuh pithrubhoochaiva sah vai hindurithismrithaah


"Whoever considers the land of Bharatha Bhoomi between Saptha Sindhu and the Indian Ocean as his motherland and fatherland is known as Hindu."

From VishNu Purana, 2.3.1:

Uttaram yat samudrasya, Himadreschaiva dakshinam |
Varsham tad Bharatam nama Bharati yatra santatih ||


"Bharat is the name of country situated to the north of the sea and south of the Himalayas and its progeny is known as Bharati."
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Hmm..Quite interesting facts, I had never known of this information ever. Thanks for sharing
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coming to the avoiding of the terms like "poor topic writer" or "stupid", im sorry. But i hope that our administrators take action against those hindus who use words like "pigs".

And coming to the word hindu, a link has been provided. There is contradiction in that link. Firstly, it proves with irrefutable proofs that the word hindu is a geographical definition. It refers to the people of India. And contradicting itself, it presents opinions from scholars where they say that hindu is a follower of a particular religion.
Thus, the contradiction is clear. I leave it to the readers to decide between the irrefutable proofs and the "opinions" of the scholars.

A follower of the religion of Islam is called a muslim. Quran mentions the word "muslim" several times. I challenge everyone here to bring a verse from the Rigved, which is the most sacred book of hinduism, where it says that the word hindu is a follower of a particular religion.

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Give me one iota of "PROOF" as to the actuality of ANY OF THE aBRAHAMIC FAITHS, not just isLAME. you believe in the myth of adam of eve, as I've explained before, could not have spread humanity unless they slept with their progeny! Therefore, all abrahamic faiths condone incest! What a great religion indeed!

And you musLAMES think you are the most religious people on earth! hahahhaah.. if you had an ounce of RELIGION within you, there would be no conversion of others as muslims/christians do on a daily basis.

Hindu as a follower of a religion is a modern extrapolation because now in India, there are other religions. In the times before religion was degraded (i.e. myths like judaism, christianity, and islam came about), everyone in that geography was a follower of Sanatana Dharma (HINDUISM). Therefore, anyone who lived in the subcontinet was considered HINDU.

Remember, there are seals from the ancient cities of India that have depictions of Shiva among other deities including the Shiva Lingam. These seals date to around 5500 years ago!

By the way, have you visited the Shiva Lingam in mecca? Hopefully soon, a nice SHIVA TEMPLE will be built on that VERY SPOT.

And who said "RigVeda is the most sacred book of Hinduism"? We are not brain-dead like you muslims to cling on to a particular label or book and repeat what the sulla mullahs tell you. That is the beauty of Hinduism as it depends on the follower to decide what their "most sacred book/ritual/God" is. You can never understand that as a mleccha.

Oh, and by the way, you muslims are far more idolatrous than you claim Hindus are. Proof? I can throw the Gita on the floor and step on it. Can you do that to the quran?

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coming to the avoiding of the terms like "poor topic writer" or "stupid", im sorry. But i hope that our administrators take action against those hindus who use words like "pigs".

And coming to the word hindu, a link has been provided. There is contradiction in that link. Firstly, it proves with irrefutable proofs that the word hindu is a geographical definition. It refers to the people of India. And contradicting itself, it presents opinions from scholars where they say that hindu is a follower of a particular religion.
Thus, the contradiction is clear. I leave it to the readers to decide between the irrefutable proofs and the "opinions" of the scholars.

A follower of the religion of Islam is called a muslim. Quran mentions the word "muslim" several times. I challenge everyone here to bring a verse from the Rigved, which is the most sacred book of hinduism, where it says that the word hindu is a follower of a particular religion.

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"And coming to the word hindu, a link has been provided. There is contradiction in that link. Firstly, it proves with irrefutable proofs that the word hindu is a geographical definition. It refers to the people of India. And contradicting itself, it presents opinions from scholars where they say that hindu is a follower of a particular religion. Thus, the contradiction is clear."
The entire line of enquiry is preposterous. Hindustan has historically referred to a geographic location. Hence, Hindustan clearly defines a concept of Nation as per the definition of the term: "Latin: natio meaning being born."

So clearly it is correct to say that the term Hindu refers to both a geographical location and a nationhood of related people.


There is truth to the phrase, "America is a Christian nation." Despite the fact none of the original inhabits were Christian, nonetheless the society of America which evolved on that continent was predominantly Christian in orientation. And while America represents a democratic homogeneity of various religions, it is still predominantly Christian as per the majority culture and how that reflects in it's vote bank and policies.

Would anyone say America is NOT a Christian nation because "America" refers to geography alone?

Likewise, the term "Hindu" has long been associated with the religious beliefs of the people of the region of Hindustan. Let me show you an example:

Raag Gaurhee Poorbee: Saint Kabir:
ਤੁਰਕ ਤਰੀਕਤਿ ਜਾਨੀਐ ਹਿੰਦੂ ਬੇਦ ਪੁਰਾਨ ॥
thurak thareekath jaaneeai hindhoo baedh puraan ||
The Muslim knows the Muslim way of life; the Hindu knows the Vedas and Puraanas.
~SGGS Ji ang 340
So where is this invented contradiction to argue for illegitimacy of "Hindu" as either Nationality or Religion?
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Religion: < L religiōn- (s. of religiō) conscientiousness, piety, equiv. to relig(āre) to tie, fasten (re- re- + ligāre to bind, tie; cf. ligament ) + -iōn- -ion; cf. Rely.

"A set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, esp. when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs."
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/religion
From it's barest dictionary definition, that body of beliefs which owe their origination to the scriptures of the Vedas and Puranas, are they not a set of beliefs concerning the nature of the universe, involving ritual observances and having a code of moral conduct?

By what default of logic can "Hinduism" be said NOT to be a religion? It is the very basis of all the world's religions because the Vedas are the oldest known religious scriptures and a case can be made illustrating an origination traceable to the Vedas as point of religious philosophy, as seen in the very definition of the name "Alla," owing origin back at least 5,000 years and referring per the Rg Veda to "Indra swaroop," and also "Amba Bhavani Mata the Jagadamba."
"BA'AL (Hebrew:בַּעַל): Semitic name of several storm gods." http://www.20000-names.com/weather_names.htm
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Allah is a Sanskrit word. In Sanskrit Allah, Akka and Amba are synonyms. They signify a goddess or mother.The term Allah appears in Sanskrit chants while invoking goddess Durga i.e. Bhavani. The Islamic word Allah for God is therefore not an innovation but the ancient Sanskrit appellation retained and continued to be used by Islam. http://www.hinduunity.com/articles/i...micarabia.html
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"The word iḷâ also occurs in the verse (1/13/9) of the Ṛgveda, that reads,

Iḷâ, sarasvatî mahî tisro devîrmayobhuvaḥ z
Varhiḥ sîdantasridhaḥ zz


Iḷâ, Sarasvatî and Mahî, three godesses who bring delight, be seated, peaceful, on the grass”. In this verse, Iḷâ is a godess and, according to Sâyana, Iḷâ in this verse may stand for earth, or cow, or vâc (speech).

In a similar manner, there is another word Alâ in the Ṛgveda that refers to various deities. The verse (3/30/10) contains the word and says,


Alâtṛṇo vala Indra vrajo goḥ pura hantorbhayamano byâra z
Sugatpatho akṛṇonniraje gaḥ prâvanvâṇîḥ purahûtaṃ
dhamantîḥ zz


“He who withheld the kine, in silence yielded in fear before thy blow, O Indra. He made paths easy to drive forth the cattle. Loud-breathing praises helped the much-invoked One” [tr: ibid]. Here, Alâ is the other name of Indra. The entire Hymn (3/30) has been dedicated to Indra and this confirms that the word Alâ in the verse refers to Indra." http://hindtoday.com/Blogs/ViewBlogs...laceCode=WORLD
So Islam has not given the correct meaning of Allah to the world. Neither has it been honest about origination. But in fact Islam has distorted the original definitions into a radically new meaning.

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Suta Goswami said: After hearing the king’s prayers, Lord Shiva said: O king Bhojaraja, you should go to the place called Mahakakshvara, that land is called Vahika and now is being contaminated by the mlecchas. In that terrible country there no longer exists dharma. There was a mystic demon named Tripura(Tripurasura), whom I have already burnt to ashes, he has come again by the order of Bali. He has no origin but he achieved a benediction from me. His name is Mahamada(Muhammad) and his deeds are like that of a ghost. Therefore, O king, you should not go to this land of the evil ghost. By my mercy your intelligence will be purified. Hearing this the king came back to his country and Mahamada(Muhammad) came with them to the bank of the river Sindhu. He was expert in expanding illusion, so he said to the king very pleasingly: O great king, your god has become my servant. Just see, as he eats my remnants, so I will show you. http://bhavishyapuran.blogspot.com/
According to Bhavishya Purana, Mohamed is the incarnation of Tripurasura.

"Religion founded by Mahamada = Paisachyadharama (demoniac religion)."


ਕਲਿ ਪਰਵਾਣੁ ਕਤੇਬ ਕੁਰਾਣੁ ॥
kal paravaan kathaeb kuraan ||
In Kali Yuga, the Koran and the Bible have become famous.

ਪੋਥੀ ਪੰਡਿਤ ਰਹੇ ਪੁਰਾਣ ॥
pothhee panddith rehae puraan ||
The Pandit's scriptures and the Puraanas are not respected.

ਨਾਨਕ ਨਾਉ ਭਇਆ ਰਹਮਾਣੁ ॥
naanak naao bhaeiaa rehamaan ||
O Nanak, the Lord's Name now is Rehmaan, the Merciful.

ਕਰਿ ਕਰਤਾ ਤੂ ਏਕੋ ਜਾਣੁ ॥੭॥
kar karathaa thoo eaeko jaan ||7||
Know that there is only One Creator of the creation. ||7||
~SGGS Ji ang 903


ਧੋਤੀ ਟਿਕਾ ਤੈ ਜਪਮਾਲੀ ਧਾਨੁ ਮਲੇਛਾਂ ਖਾਈ ॥
dhhothee ttikaa thai japamaalee dhhaan malaeshhaan khaaee ||
They wear their loin cloths, apply ritual frontal marks to their foreheads, and carry their rosaries, but they eat food with the Muslims.

ਅੰਤਰਿ ਪੂਜਾ ਪੜਹਿ ਕਤੇਬਾ ਸੰਜਮੁ ਤੁਰਕਾ ਭਾਈ ॥
anthar poojaa parrehi kathaebaa sanjam thurakaa bhaaee ||
O Siblings of Destiny, you perform devotional worship indoors, but read the Islamic sacred texts, and adopt the Muslim way of life.

ਛੋਡੀਲੇ ਪਾਖੰਡਾ ॥
shhoddeelae paakhanddaa ||
Renounce your hypocrisy!

ਨਾਮਿ ਲਇਐ ਜਾਹਿ ਤਰੰਦਾ ॥੧॥
naam laeiai jaahi tharandhaa ||1||
Taking the Naam, the Name of the Lord, you shall swim across. ||1||
~SGGS Ji ang 471



ਕਾਜੀ ਤੈ ਕਵਨ ਕਤੇਬ ਬਖਾਨੀ ॥
kaajee thai kavan kathaeb bakhaanee ||
O Qazi, which book have you read?

ਪੜ੍ਹਤ ਗੁਨਤ ਐਸੇ ਸਭ ਮਾਰੇ ਕਿਨਹੂੰ ਖਬਰਿ ਨ ਜਾਨੀ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
parrhath gunath aisae sabh maarae kinehoon khabar n jaanee ||1|| rehaao ||
Such scholars and students have all died, and none of them have discovered the inner meaning. ||1||Pause||

ਸਕਤਿ ਸਨੇਹੁ ਕਰਿ ਸੁੰਨਤਿ ਕਰੀਐ ਮੈ ਨ ਬਦਉਗਾ ਭਾਈ ॥
sakath sanaehu kar sunnath kareeai mai n badhougaa bhaaee ||
Because of the love of woman, circumcision is done; I don't believe in it, O Siblings of Destiny.

ਜਉ ਰੇ ਖੁਦਾਇ ਮੋਹਿ ਤੁਰਕੁ ਕਰੈਗਾ ਆਪਨ ਹੀ ਕਟਿ ਜਾਈ ॥੨॥
jo rae khudhaae mohi thurak karaigaa aapan hee katt jaaee ||2||
If God wished me to be a Muslim, it would be cut off by itself. ||2||

ਸੁੰਨਤਿ ਕੀਏ ਤੁਰਕੁ ਜੇ ਹੋਇਗਾ ਅਉਰਤ ਕਾ ਕਿਆ ਕਰੀਐ ॥
sunnath keeeae thurak jae hoeigaa aourath kaa kiaa kareeai ||
If circumcision makes one a Muslim, then what about a woman?

ਅਰਧ ਸਰੀਰੀ ਨਾਰਿ ਨ ਛੋਡੈ ਤਾ ਤੇ ਹਿੰਦੂ ਹੀ ਰਹੀਐ ॥੩॥
aradhh sareeree naar n shhoddai thaa thae hindhoo hee reheeai ||3||
She is the other half of a man's body, and she does not leave him, so he remains a Hindu. ||3||

ਛਾਡਿ ਕਤੇਬ ਰਾਮੁ ਭਜੁ ਬਉਰੇ ਜੁਲਮ ਕਰਤ ਹੈ ਭਾਰੀ ॥
shhaadd kathaeb raam bhaj bourae julam karath hai bhaaree ||
Give up your holy books, and remember the Lord, you fool, and stop oppressing others so badly.

ਕਬੀਰੈ ਪਕਰੀ ਟੇਕ ਰਾਮ ਕੀ ਤੁਰਕ ਰਹੇ ਪਚਿਹਾਰੀ ॥੪॥੮॥
kabeerai pakaree ttaek raam kee thurak rehae pachihaaree ||4||8||
Kabeer has grasped hold of the Lord's Support, and the Muslims have utterly failed. ||4||8||
~SGGS Ji ang 477
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I read much of the original post and it is interesting, but now I am confused on what is the difference between 'Hindustan,' 'India,' 'Bharat.'
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Re: The name Hindu for the people and the country--not a Hindu name?

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but now I am confused on what is the difference between 'Hindustan,' 'India,' 'Bharat.'
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Hindustan: Nation of people from the geographical region of the Indus Valley.

India: Indh, Hind: Indus, Hindus. Hind is just pronunciation difference from Ind. So India is variant of Hindustan, land of Hindoos. So you will see slogan Jaya Hind! Representing "All glories and victory to Hindustan/India."

Bharat: "officially Bhārata Gaṇarājya भारत गणराज्य, is the Hindustani term for the Republic of India."http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bharat_%28disambiguation%29
Bharat is more correct term as it implies "Greater India," incorporating the spirituality as well as the nationality and geography and derives from Indic languages as opposed to Indus or Hindu which is what invaders called Hindustan. Bharat Mata is "Divine Mother India."
Vande Mataram - Revival - A.R.Rahman
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRPpSgRqtRc
Translation

Mother, I salute thee!
Rich with thy hurrying streams,
bright with orchard gleams,
Cool with thy winds of delight,
Green fields waving Mother of might,
Mother free.

Glory of moonlight dreams,
Over thy branches and lordly streams,
Clad in thy blossoming trees,
Mother, giver of ease
Laughing low and sweet!
Mother I kiss thy feet,
Speaker sweet and low!
Mother, to thee I bow.

Who hath said thou art weak in thy lands
When swords flash out in seventy million hands
And seventy million voices roar
Thy dreadful name from shore to shore?
With many strengths who art mighty and stored,
To thee I call Mother and Lord!
Thou who saves, arise and save!
To her I cry who ever her foe drove
Back from plain and sea
And shook herself free.

Thou art wisdom, thou art law,
Thou art heart, our soul, our breath
Though art love divine, the awe
In our hearts that conquers death.
Thine the strength that nerves the arm,
Thine the beauty, thine the charm.
Every image made divine
In our temples is but thine.


Thou art Durga, Lady and Queen,
With her hands that strike and her
swords of sheen,
Thou art Lakshmi lotus-throned,
And the Muse a hundred-toned,
Pure and perfect without peer,
Mother lend thine ear,
Rich with thy hurrying streams,
Bright with thy orchard gleems,
Dark of hue O candid-fair

In thy soul, with jewelled hair
And thy glorious smile divine,
Loveliest of all earthly lands,
Showering wealth from well-stored hands!
Mother, mother mine!
Mother sweet, I bow to thee,
Mother great and free!


translated by Sri Aurobindo
Jana Gana Mana was chosen over Vande Mataram as the National Anthem of independent India in January 24, 1950, although before this date, Vande Mataram was treated as such. Vande Mataram was rejected because Muslims offended by calling India "Mother Durga" (a Hindu goddess) equating the nation with Hinduism..." http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vande_Mataram
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Re: The name Hindu for the people and the country--not a Hindu name?

Namaskar!

Nice post by Harjas.

I agree to what Saidevo posted as well as the link given to the Hindu word research pdf, as it cites Vedic literature and antiquity of the word which is the topic. Harjas's quotations also take us more into the spiritual and social side of it in the light of impersonal understanding of the divine from the Granth Sahib asking to shed the outward symbols and seek the divine within. Since outward symbols became a reason for the differences and fight and Nanak dev ji came at a time of this struggle. Interestingly Guru Gobind Singh ji established back external symbols for the chosen Sikh community that they very much are recognized with.

ਧੋਤੀ ਟਿਕਾ ਤੈ ਜਪਮਾਲੀ ਧਾਨੁ ਮਲੇਛਾਂ ਖਾਈ ॥
dhhothee ttikaa thai japamaalee dhhaan malaeshhaan khaaee ||
They wear their loin cloths, apply ritual frontal marks to their foreheads, and carry their rosaries, but they eat food with the Muslims.

ਅੰਤਰਿ ਪੂਜਾ ਪੜਹਿ ਕਤੇਬਾ ਸੰਜਮੁ ਤੁਰਕਾ ਭਾਈ ॥
anthar poojaa parrehi kathaebaa sanjam thurakaa bhaaee ||
O Siblings of Destiny, you perform devotional worship indoors, but read the Islamic sacred texts, and adopt the Muslim way of life.

ਛੋਡੀਲੇ ਪਾਖੰਡਾ ॥
shhoddeelae paakhanddaa ||
Renounce your hypocrisy!

ਨਾਮਿ ਲਇਐ ਜਾਹਿ ਤਰੰਦਾ ॥੧॥
naam laeiai jaahi tharandhaa ||1||
Taking the Naam, the Name of the Lord, you shall swim across. ||1||
~SGGS Ji ang 471


So we see one Guru denounces adherence to various symbolism and the other gives external symbols. Seemingly two different things. I'm not seeking any explanations here, but simply noting it. Of course there are good reasons and meaning for both as per time and understanding needed.
Thus the avatars, Gurus come to teach to man as per time and tide and finally directing back to God, fulfilling the meaning of this life.

Om tat sat!

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Re: The name Hindu for the people and the country--not a Hindu name?

Many people these days love to bring up that Hinduism is not the oldest religion, because the name Hindu was not that old. Great resources have already been posted here by Saidevo and others to prove otherwise. I think the argument is silly. It's like saying that India didn't have any "rice" before the British invasion: they had countless of tribes with their own language and words for this grain, but only after the British came did they have "rice." Hinduism has always been there and it doesn't matter what name it was given. Like Vivekananda said, we should say with pride that we are Hindu.
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Re: The name Hindu for the people and the country--not a Hindu name?

I love this retarded and fallacy inundated argument.

It can be used equally well against any religion.

You could say "Jesus" or "God" didn't exist because the English language popped up somewhere around the 1st millennium C.E.

You could say "Confucius" didn't exist because this word didn't exist until Englishmen started translating his Chinese name this way.

I at Westerners/Westernized people and their intellects (or lack thereof?).
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