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    The Tamil Epics?

    I am reading a book that attempts to disprove the aryan invasion theory and in one part of the book the author mentions the Shilappandikaram and the manimekhalai. Just wondering if anyone hear has read these? Man it seems as though i try to stop learning about India and learn about other cultures but everytime i find something new and worthy of investigating.
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    Yes sir. I have read both of them and they are related kavyas through the relationship of the Heriones of these kayvas.

    AIT is a myth and there is no real proof of this and even the original proposer of this theory no longer admits this

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    Quote Originally Posted by grames View Post
    Yes sir. I have read both of them and they are related kavyas through the relationship of the Heriones of these kayvas.

    AIT is a myth and there is no real proof of this and even the original proposer of this theory no longer admits this
    I do not wish to start a war, but there are some things that puzzle me no end, thus making me wonder whether AIT or at least Aryan migration theory could be true. North Indians are tall, light-skinned, and have Caucasian facial features, whereas South Indians (I am a South Indian, by the way) are short, dark and have Aboriginal features. Yes, there are exceptions, but India is a huge country, so pointing to a few exceptions doesn't cut it. Sure there are light-skinned South Indians and dark Northies, but usually it's the other way around. The same goes for light Brahmins and dark non-Brahmins.

    How can this be explained without resorting to AIT? Climate is more or less the same throughout India and cannot be the answer. Even otherwise, climate doesn't influence color, bone structure and all that. Whites in hot countries don't magically become black, nor do blacks in cold countries turn white. So race seems to be the only explanation, meaning North Indians are from Europe.

    Suppose this is true, why is it hard for us Hindus to accept it? What's wrong with accepting AIT?

    Again, I am not even saying AIT is correct, but why is it most Hindus waste so much time and energy trying to prove it wrong? What's the worst thing that could happen if it's right? Am I missing something here?

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    Dear Ji,

    Why it is that we have to accept some theory which introduces 'artificial' complexity among natural inhabitants? Refusal is not the agenda here but denying such wrong notions is the purpose.

    Skin color is not deciding factor for such AIT and please i would suggest you to read what exactly this AIT is all about before raising doubts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grames View Post
    Dear Ji,

    Why it is that we have to accept some theory which introduces 'artificial' complexity among natural inhabitants? Refusal is not the agenda here but denying such wrong notions is the purpose.

    Skin color is not deciding factor for such AIT and please i would suggest you to read what exactly this AIT is all about before raising doubts.
    My point is different. Whether or not AIT is right, why must we waste our time and energy opposing it? What purpose would it serve? I hope you understand my question. Why do we, as Hindus, get upset when someone so much as mentions AIT?

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    Oh that way....

    Then you also should be ignoring it as irrelevant. Same idea here.

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    Vannakkam all:

    The reason AIT is unacceptable is that it's underlying inference is that culture started in Europe, (actually with the Abrahamic centerpiece, Jerusalem) and spread its 'wonderful' wings outward. Its Eurocentric, and insulting to anyone outside that field. This includes the indigenous peoples of North America, South America, Australia, and Africa as well. It all goes back to the 'We're the civilised ones' doctrine. That's why I find it insulting, and deserving of disproof.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eastern Mind View Post
    Vannakkam all:

    The reason AIT is unacceptable is that it's underlying inference is that culture started in Europe, (actually with the Abrahamic centerpiece, Jerusalem) and spread its 'wonderful' wings outward. Its Eurocentric, and insulting to anyone outside that field. This includes the indigenous peoples of North America, South America, Australia, and Africa as well. It all goes back to the 'We're the civilised ones' doctrine. That's why I find it insulting, and deserving of disproof.

    Aum Namasivaya
    I understand what you say. Unfortunately, the past is always understood in terms of the present. If I am a convicted murderer today, nobody is going to believe that I was a saint yesterday (even if that be true). Since the west is civilized at the present (with its human rights record, democracy, freedom, and all that) and the east isn't, it'd be more logical to believe that civilization spread from west to east rather than the other way around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rahulg View Post
    Since the west is civilized at the present (with its human rights record, democracy, freedom, and all that)
    Namaste: Propoganda! You've been had.

    Outside of the Islamic world, Texas has the highest rate of capital punishment.

    Our First nations peoples had Amnesty International comparing them to the apartheid of South Africa to the Canadian government.

    gambling addiction, alcohol addiction, childhood obesity rates at 30%, rampant pornography, wanton waste of natural resources, over 50% divorce rate, huge debts of governments due partly to war spending ...and the list continues

    Go ahead and call this 'civilised' if you wish but clearly you and I don't have the same definition on that word.

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    Eastern countries are suffering more and more because of the influence of "civilized" western attitude.

    West is never been "civilized" and you have to really go through the history and current status of their life and life style with out being carried away by few statements.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rahulg View Post
    I understand what you say. Unfortunately, the past is always understood in terms of the present. If I am a convicted murderer today, nobody is going to believe that I was a saint yesterday (even if that be true). Since the west is civilized at the present (with its human rights record, democracy, freedom, and all that) and the east isn't, it'd be more logical to believe that civilization spread from west to east rather than the other way around.

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