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    Shiva Linga - Significance?

    Dear friends,
    I have a question regarding the significance of the Shiva Linga. I have found this description:
    Shiva Linga is a wide spread Indian Phallic figure. It consists of a feminine base ‘Yoni’ or ‘vagina’ and a rising masculine portion ‘the Phallus’ or ‘penis.’ The Linga artifacts, dating from the first century BC to the third century AD, are shaped like realistic ‘Phalli’. Thereafter the shape becomes progressively more abstract. By medieval times, its observable portion, rising from the Yoni, forms a round block with domed apex.
    http://www.vepachedu.org/linga.htm
    With this it seems that both the Yoni and Linga are depicted.

    This is perhaps symbolic of the indivisible union of Shiva and Shakti and is reminiscent of the Yab-Yum within Vajrayana.

    Beyond being an object of veneration, is there a meditative significance, or instruction, for Shaivite contemplatives?

    Namaste

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    hariḥ oá¹
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    Namasté

    For me I have heard this POV for some time;
    Shiva Linga is a wide spread Indian Phallic figure

    that the liṅgaṃ represents the phallus. I am not fond of this view and never bought in to this idea.

    I could see how one may view the liṅgaṃ as the generative power of the Universe, yet I find no comfort in this POV.
    Liá¹…gaṃ लिङà¥à¤—ं - means 'mark' or 'sign'. It is my POV that Å›iva-liá¹…gaṃ is a 'mark' or stambha सà¥à¤¤à¤®à¥à¤­ ( some write stamba सà¥à¤¤à¤®à¥à¤¬). Stambha is a post , pillar , column , beam. But what kind of pillar? A yÅ«pa यूप stambha सà¥à¤¤à¤®à¥à¤­, or sacrificial piller. This stambha some say, is a cosmic column; that is, it connects heaven or svar with earth or pá¹›ithvÄ« ( pá¹›ithvÄ« = the material level of creation).


    I look to svÄmÄ« Laká¹£man-jÅ«'s view on this matter and he suggests too it’s a mistake to consider that the liá¹…gaṃ represents the phallus. I then remembered what svÄmÄ« ÅšivÄnanda said on this matter¹:
    "The popular belief is that the Siva Lingam represents the phallus or the virile organ, the emblem of the generative power or principle in nature. This is not only a serious mistake, but also a grave blunder. In the post-Vedic period, the Linga became symbolical of the generative power of the Lord Siva. Linga is the differentiating mark. It is certainly not the sex-mark. You will find in the Linga Purana: Pradhanam prakritir yadahur-lingamuttamam; Gandhavarnarasairhinam sabda-sparsadi-varjitam—The foremost Linga which is primary and is devoid of smell, colour, taste, hearing, touch, etc., is spoken of as Prakriti (Nature) ."


    praṇÄm

    words and references:
    All About Hinduism, Appendix I, svÄmÄ« ÅšivÄnanda, The Divine Life Society.
    Last edited by yajvan; 02 March 2014 at 04:13 PM.
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    I concur with Sri Yajvan. Never have been fond of this view. I think it probably comes from western analysts of Europe who love to create anything they can to belittle our religion. Come to think of it, that's a sore point altogether. Here in America we have far too many non-Hindus teaching Hinduism 101 et al at the university level. Now I wonder how well my veshti (versus suit and tie) would go over at Southern Methodist University teaching their bible class.

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    I understand many people get offended whenever there is public display of certain parts of human body. It becomes even more offensive when these body parts are shown as representing God/s. This thread appears to be about different perceptions when God is seen through an image.
    In a little different twist I wonder many times why do we keep these parts of our body covered out of a sense of shame. To me sex is not dirty, but rather sex is holy. Cave men and women walked around nude. Somewhere our ancestors discovered God and saw the presence of God in the ability of a man and a woman to create life out of their love for each other. These body parts we cover are the ones that contain the secret of creating and nurturing life. Creation of life is holy, so we cover them out of an instinctive memory of reverence. With the loss of sense of reverence, nudity becomes casual, no different from the animals. For animals mating and reproduction are purely biologic processes. The holiness of life, love and birth are lost when God is factored out of the equation. It is interesting to find that human beings are the only species who face each other during a sexual act; we are the only species to whom it matters with whom we are sharing the sexual act.

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    hariḥ oṁ
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    Namasté VC,

    Quote Originally Posted by vcindiana View Post
    I understand many people get offended whenever there is public display of certain parts of human body. It becomes even more offensive when these body parts are shown as representing God/s. This thread appears to be about different perceptions when God is seen through an image.
    In a little different twist I wonder many times why do we keep these parts of our body covered out of a sense of shame. To me sex is not dirty, but rather sex is holy. Cave men and women walked around nude. Somewhere our ancestors discovered God and saw the presence of God in the ability of a man and a woman to create life out of their love for each other. These body parts we cover are the ones that contain the secret of creating and nurturing life. Creation of life is holy, so we cover them out of an instinctive memory of reverence. With the loss of sense of reverence, nudity becomes casual, no different from the animals. For animals mating and reproduction are purely biologic processes. The holiness of life, love and birth are lost when God is factored out of the equation. It is interesting to find that human beings are the only species who face each other during a sexual act; we are the only species to whom it matters with whom we are sharing the sexual act.
    I see what you are saying. Let me offer a few ideas ( ideas, not corrections).

    You may visit several temples and quickly see the 'parts' are aptly visible. There is a recognition that the 'parts' are well, part of the whole.

    I understand that people my be offended with the public display of another's 'personals'. For me, I would generally be embarrassed for the other person frankly.

    you mention
    Cave men and women walked around nude
    Did they have a choice? Not too many shops and boutiques to frequent for shoes and pants (me thinks) during those times .


    Yet the idea we have been considering is the proper view of what the liṅgaṃ is. And by association it has been misappropriated (IMHO) for something it is not.

    praṇām
    यतसà¥à¤¤à¥à¤µà¤‚ शिवसमोऽसि
    yatastvaṠśivasamo'si
    because you are identical with śiva

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    While I see nothing against the phallus interpretation, I don't see much practical benefit out it, except for some dogma. The iconography of lingam is very deep as is its effect on the meditative mind. It is an indespensible tool in laya of mind ...

    Those who know the anatomy of the brain:- left right and the centre-medulla oblongota (linga), the 6 nerves which criss-cross this centre forming the mysterious 12-petaled lotus (externalised as the 12 jyotir lingas), the well known dwidal chakra(yoni pitha).

    Linga is an icon of the seed (of creation). And if we look around in nature any seed formation (look at plant seeds for example) resembles shiva's linga. and these seeds are generally well protected in a twin leaf yoni. Brain is the seed and root of the human body.
    What is Here, is Elsewhere. What is not Here, is Nowhere.

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    hariḥ oṁ
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    Namasté

    Quote Originally Posted by yajvan View Post

    Liṅgaṃ लिङ्गं - means 'mark' or 'sign'. It is my POV that śiva-liṅgaṃ is a 'mark' or stambha स्तम्भ ( some write stamba स्तम्ब). Stambha is a post , pillar , column , beam. But what kind of pillar? A yūpa यूप stambha स्तम्भ, or sacrificial piller. This stambha some say, is a cosmic column; that is, it connects heaven or svar with earth or pṛithvī ( pṛithvī = the material level of creation).

    Here is another view for your consideration... I am not promoting this idea, just another point of view; we may or may not agree with it, of which no harm is done.

    Another view of liṅgaṃ लिङ्गं suggests its connection to the following:
    likh लिख् - to paint, engrave, write; to make smooth, polish. The notion here is Śiva liṅgaṃ as the 'mark' or 'symbol' suggests He is the Supreme Creator, the Supreme Sculptor of the universe ( from ' to make smooth, polish' suggesting the sculptor).

    Another view:
    ling+gam : ling लिण्ग्- is to go to; gam गम् is to go towards or approach;

    Śiva liṅgaṃ is the 'mark' or 'symbol' which makes one go towards or approach Śiva. It is suggested that this liṅgaṃ is a natural object for meditation and the mind finds its ease with its shape. Recall that this was one of srivijaya's original questions in post 1:
    Beyond being an object of veneration, is there a meditative significance, or instruction, for Shaivite contemplatives?


    oṁ liṅgaya namaḥ

    praṇām
    Last edited by yajvan; 19 January 2009 at 07:38 PM.
    यतसà¥à¤¤à¥à¤µà¤‚ शिवसमोऽसि
    yatastvaṠśivasamo'si
    because you are identical with śiva

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    That which is without letters (parts) is the Fourth, beyond apprehension through ordinary means, the cessation of the phenomenal world, the auspicious and the non-dual. Thus Om is certainly the Self. He who knows thus enters the Self by the Self.

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    What I had learned was that the Shiva Linga was a symbol of the characteristic of Shiva that He is without any beginning nor end. So the first Shiva Lingas were spheres or oval-shaped, but so that these things would not roll away, it had to be mounted on something. Then the base of the Linga evolved so that performing an abhisheka would be easier. The view that the Shiva Linga is a phallic symbol and its base is a yoni or vagina is entirely incorrect and is a disgusting fallacy created by the British colonists and Christian evangelists to discount and degrade the Hindu religion.

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    Re: Shiva Linga - Significance?

    Quote Originally Posted by OmSriShivaShakti View Post
    What I had learned was that the Shiva Linga was a symbol of the characteristic of Shiva that He is without any beginning nor end. So the first Shiva Lingas were spheres or oval-shaped, but so that these things would not roll away, it had to be mounted on something. Then the base of the Linga evolved so that performing an abhisheka would be easier. The view that the Shiva Linga is a phallic symbol and its base is a yoni or vagina is entirely incorrect and is a disgusting fallacy created by the British colonists and Christian evangelists to discount and degrade the Hindu religion.

    Namaste,

    I entirely disagree with this.

    Rather, the notion of "disgusting" is entirely degrading to the symbolism.

    Yoga is ecstatic, UNION.

    Perhaps y'all would consider me perverse for saying so, but I must say that pure union with the divine is only marginally replicated by the physical.

    ZN
    yaireva patanaM dravyaiH siddhistaireva choditA .
    shrI kauladarshane chApi bhairaveNa mahAtmanA .

    It is revealed in the sacred doctrine of Kula and by the great Bhairava, that the perfection is achieved by that very means by which fall occurs.

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